6ix9ineYearFlow

Is it time to increase Year 1 pay?

JohnPaulGeorge

Are folks starting to bail?

hercretired

Folks are "bailing" from SWA to Big-3, from one big-3 to another big-3, and everything in between.

yes, folks are leaving the ULCC's.

back to regular programming.

Planedrive

Do you think raising first year pay will stop people from leaving? United has less than a 2 year upgrade and new hires are getting 777/787. Most FO’s leaving have been on property over a year. Even some captains are leaving for greener pastures these days. I would say 25% of the guys I fly with have either CJO’s or interviews lined up.

Can’t blame them. Unless you like flying red eyes and 3 day 10 hour trips.

WaterRooster

Under 40 and a legacy lined up? Head on out, I don’t blame you one bit. It’s going to take more then 1st year pay to keep people. See the thread with contract improvements, that’s what needs to happen to keep attrition below the 7% we are at now. 3% is average

Planedrive

7% so far for 2021 right? The big guys only started hiring middle of the year. If it keeps up we will likely see double digit attrition in 2022.

HoneyBakedHamPalace

Horrible schedules, all red eyes, leadership that is constantly threatening pilots with discipline notices. Why would someone stay???

Aero1900

All airlines have bad schedules. That's part of being an airline pilot unfortunately.

The only base that is "only redeyes" is Vegas and obviously that's not even true. Not sure what % are though.

And do you think other airlines don't threaten discipline? Didn't United just try to fire a ton of pilots for not being vaccinated? Frontier sure didn't.

If you think it's all rainbows and unicorns at other airlines you are delusional. The big airlines have so much debt that they are all likely to take a trip through bankruptcy court to shed debt. Oh, and they will gut their labor contracts too. Did you know that at one time Frontier was the highest paid narrow body pilots in the country? Why? Because of what I just described. History repeats. AA is 40 Billion dollars in debt. That's a deep hole to dig out of. Much easier to shed debt in bankruptcy than dump all your profits into digging out of a 40 Billion dollar hole especially when you are fighting off stiff competition and high fuel prices.

EAFF95

Don't feed the troll. The minute he mentioned bad schedules you know he is full of it.

I don't think there's an airline with better schedules in the states. I regularly am getting 16+ days off per month and 90 credit hours as a sub 30% guy in a junior base. Obviously YMMV but yeah I guess if you're shackling yourself to the bottom 80% at any base you're gonna be disappointed.

This airline is not perfect but if you're looking for QOL it is one of this places strong suits.

ExecNav

Keep chasing that elusive company that has perfect schedules for everyone and a management team that wants to feed you strawberries while you spoon.

You don't even need to be senior in base. I've been home at least 20 days/month and crediting between 85 and 95 hours bidding RSV and picking up trips on my days off, living in base. It's been awful.