Aero1900

Just to throw out a piece of information: at Delta the 767 and the A321 are pay banded together.

The A320/B737 are a slightly lower pay rate.

Powderkeg

Contrary to popular opinion I think this is something that needs to go. It’s a valuable piece of negotiating capital, and if the rates are high enough you’ll never notice. This would also drive more open time, more pilots required to staff the high utilization rates, and a QOL improvement for anybody that decided they could afford to work less.

Imagine a world in which you didn’t have to credit 100 hours a month with 12 days off to feel like you can buy a Miata that’s as nice as your neighbor’s that flies for Delta.

Aero1900

Not sure that "more self help language" is a thing unless I misunderstood what you mean.

A more streamlined grievence process is definitely a must, and I believe that's a top priority for the union. So that's good

Aero1900

I have mixed feelings on the 125% over 82 provision. I believe its unique to us?

Obviously it does allow hard workers (*****s) to make big bucks, but it also allows the company to carry less total pilots. Kind of a mixed bag in my mind

Buspilot99

Im for removing the over 82 incentive and having it translate to higher hourly rates instead!

PositiveRate20

More instances and leeway where the pilot can contractually resolve an issue without having to rely on the company to do so. Ie no hotel van, no hotel room, etc

Aero1900

Gotcha. Makes sense.

I was thinking "self help" ie being released to self help as in a strike

dracir1

I will say…

This thread in its entirety is a bad idea. All of the info shared here SHOULD be private information sent to your local reps. That’s it. Let the NC do their job…

I will mention, however, that it’s surprising how low some people are willing to accept…Jet Blue rates? Really?

What this thread should be about is generating momentum for those who are expecting to compare the new TA that we eventually get to the existing contract we have now. That is a silly expectation.

We should be comparing the new TA to the conditions that exist NOW (or will exist after everyone else has their contracts) in the industry. Let’s not fall into the trap of the last contract vote…

Aero1900

As I explained in a previous post, we will be negotiating off of all the other industry contracts. Pattern bargaining. We will be the last to go and will almost certainly have every other airlines new contract to compare to and bargain off of.

We aren't exactly spilling secrets to management here.

As for the JetBlue rates... yeah. By the time we get this thing done, they will be at $340/ hour. From our future top rate of $270 plus all the other gains I want, it's a floor to go off of. Throw in improvements to LTD, 401K DC %, soft pay, min day, etc and you are looking at reality.

The only thing that could happen that would dramatically change the landscape would be United, AA and Southwest leapfroging Delta and then Spirit/ JetBlue getting a better JCBA before we reach a TA. If that happens, then yes, my $340 rate won't be high enough. But if Delta remains the top of the industry and Spirit/ JetBlue don't have a higher JCBA, $340 is reasonable.

We will have a lot of other contracts to compare to when it comes time. United, AA and Southwest need to get their sh|t together and get good contracts.

FlyingR6

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