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Powderkeg 04-20-2023 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3626690)
I think we’ve got some acronyms mixed up here. A couple of the Chiefs are going through LCA training. DPEs don’t exist at the airlines…we have APDs. Sort of similar in some ways to a DPE but different.

Right. And it shouldn’t be surprising to anybody…with the trouble they’ve had hiring/retaining LCA’s it makes sense the company makes the chiefs available for IOE/line checks.

BiffleBalls 04-20-2023 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3626690)
I think we’ve got some acronyms mixed up here. A couple of the Chiefs are going through LCA training. DPEs don’t exist at the airlines…we have APDs. Sort of similar in some ways to a DPE but different.

Oh get out the popcorn. Some of our high mins base chiefs are going to be doing IOE? I hate to wonder what's next around here..

F9320 Driver 04-20-2023 02:16 PM

Yes, I very much got my acronyms mixed up. I could say it was because I had both tears and laughter going on. However it was more likely fear for where we may be headed as two of the least qualified pilots step in to a training / checking position.
If they are to be LCA’s that is one thing, but if they are to be APD’s that to me is frightening.
Either way diminishes the standard in a way that is concerning.One that I would hope ALPA would be watching closely.

1900RT 04-20-2023 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by BiffleBalls (Post 3626805)
Oh get out the popcorn. Some of our high mins base chiefs are going to be doing IOE? I hate to wonder what's next around here..


This is one of the most frightening things I've heard of. Neither of the Denver management "pilots" have any business doing any kind of instruction whatsoever.

Aero1900 04-20-2023 06:38 PM

Hold up. You guys are just making sh|t up here.

S.C. and E.S are not going to be APDs. So settle down.

And for the record S.C. would be a good LCA. He's a good guy and a good pilot. It's unfair to say he's "the least qualified." That's totally ridiculous.

Now E.S. on the other hand.... yeah, I agree

dracir1 04-22-2023 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3627171)
Hold up. You guys are just making sh|t up here.

S.C. and E.S are not going to be APDs. So settle down.

And for the record S.C. would be a good LCA. He's a good guy and a good pilot. It's unfair to say he's "the least qualified." That's totally ridiculous.

Now E.S. on the other hand.... yeah, I agree

I don’t think ANY of the Chief Pilots should be any sort of check position. For one, that’s sort of a conflict of interest. Asking your CP to give a line check to a pilot whom they know is troublesome in non-flying areas (like showing up late, etc) but is otherwise a capable pilot screams of a questionable situation. If the pilot fails a checkride, I’m sure they’ll think it’s because of the CPs dislike of them (and start a subsequent grievance). Two, the CPs are already busy. But third, and most important, CPs are paid a monthly guarantee without override. Having them fly IOE for “free” takes $ away from some other LCA.

Not a good idea to me…

Aero1900 04-22-2023 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3627813)
I don’t think ANY of the Chief Pilots should be any sort of check position. For one, that’s sort of a conflict of interest. Asking your CP to give a line check to a pilot whom they know is troublesome in non-flying areas (like showing up late, etc) but is otherwise a capable pilot screams of a questionable situation. If the pilot fails a checkride, I’m sure they’ll think it’s because of the CPs dislike of them (and start a subsequent grievance). Two, the CPs are already busy. But third, and most important, CPs are paid a monthly guarantee without override. Having them fly IOE for “free” takes $ away from some other LCA.

Not a good idea to me…

I agree with all of that. But to be clear, they will not be giving actual checks rides.

Xdashdriver 04-22-2023 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3627852)
I agree with all of that. But to be clear, they will not be giving actual checks rides.

So what’s the point then?

Aero1900 04-22-2023 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3627857)
So what’s the point then?

You don't know the difference between a LCA and an APD?

Xdashdriver 04-22-2023 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3627870)
You don't know the difference between a LCA and an APD?

I'm intimately familiar with the difference. I highlighted the difference a few posts up. If they won't be giving actual checks (which is what I inferred from "actual checks rides [sic]" -- I read it as actual checks/rides), what's the point in them being a LCA? I know they won't be conducting type rating checkrides because they won't be APDs.


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