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Old 05-09-2023, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget View Post
Yup! We disagree with the contract timeline but the principles with the cadet program we see eye to eye.
I sure hope it’s in 2025 but I’m planning on the company really starting to hurt with staffing in 2025. They will try out some bandaid solutions, then finally play ball with negotiating. AIP, TA, roadshows, voting and implementation and we’re at 2026 now.
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Old 05-09-2023, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies67 View Post
I sure hope it’s in 2025 but I’m planning on the company really starting to hurt with staffing in 2025. They will try out some bandaid solutions, then finally play ball with negotiating. AIP, TA, roadshows, voting and implementation and we’re at 2026 now.
By 2026 the big 4 will all be at $350 and hour for a narrowbody CA rate while we will be at $270.
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Old 05-09-2023, 11:28 AM
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By 2026 the big 4 will all be at $350 and hour for a narrowbody CA rate while we will be at $270.
Hopefully there is some sort of “look back” to Jan 2023…
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Old 05-09-2023, 11:35 AM
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Pay rate wise I fear that we will get everyone's 2023 rates or lower while the rest is 3 years into their raises. So for example a second year FO here would be $160 while our friends at the legacies are already pushing $200. Same on the CA side.
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Old 05-09-2023, 11:48 AM
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Pay rate wise I fear that we will get everyone's 2023 rates or lower while the rest is 3 years into their raises. So for example a second year FO here would be $160 while our friends at the legacies are already pushing $200. Same on the CA side.
I included that in my survey feedback. Definitely need to outmatch whatever is current. You guys can debate WB versus NB rates, whatever. It just needs to be more than whatever the going rate is today. Or else it will perpetually lag every 5 or so years.

That being said. Even if all 2000 of us say that, would anyone listen?
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Old 05-09-2023, 12:55 PM
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what happened to the (yet another rumor) rumor that "we will be Delta pay by end of summer, management is ready to get this done" etc etc
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:41 PM
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what happened to the (yet another rumor) rumor that "we will be Delta pay by end of summer, management is ready to get this done" etc etc
Amidst the recent AAL turmoil, Isom claimed he was going to match Delta pay.

Someone floated a bonkers rumor that AA buys us or Vice versa.

DL pay rates via acquisition?
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:47 PM
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I’m a cadet. We recently had a cadet town all meeting and one of the chief pilots mentioned that the contract was up for negotiations very soon. He said being an ALPA carrier we should expect a contract similar to to other ALPA Airlines. Take that for what it’s worth but that’s what the cadets were told.
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Old 05-09-2023, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BigKitten229180 View Post
I’m a cadet. We recently had a cadet town all meeting and one of the chief pilots mentioned that the contract was up for negotiations very soon. He said being an ALPA carrier we should expect a contract similar to to other ALPA Airlines. Take that for what it’s worth but that’s what the cadets were told.
Unfortunately that is a WIDE range of pay from Delta to Spirit and the timeline is not guaranteed to be…timely.
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Old 05-09-2023, 04:29 PM
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Unfortunately that is a WIDE range of pay from Delta to Spirit and the timeline is not guaranteed to be…timely.
More like a wide range from Delta to Air Wisconsin.
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