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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
(Post 3855783)
This… About a year ago had a new guy next to me telling me he would vote yes on anything put in front of him to get a bump as he was headed to a legacy. My advice was to vote yes on a contract that you could work under for the rest of your career. You may find out that your phone never rings with that golden opportunity.
Unity is what we need now more than ever. communicate with your reps, do your job, and when you get frustrated vent to your pilots to your left or right. When the Kings have the peasants fighting amongst themselves the target is not on them. The issue is the Company’s unwillingness to negotiate. We are all eager to hear how the next few rounds of negotiations play out with the new mediator. I have echoed that same stance to many many people thinking they are going to go to a legacy. All I have said in return is “well that’s great that you have your sights set on going to xyz but just remember you need to vote as if you never got that call, could you live with that contract and be happy about your choice” of course when put in that way they start to rethink the idea of what they just said. I am not sure why the union is not putting out logical Q&As about all this stuff. Because some guys just have no clue how this works or really what they could affect by voting without thinking about the consequences. I had one guy in the cockpit that didn’t even know how to vote for the strike and I had to show him how. Some people are just clueless or choose to be clueless and that to me is so infuriating considering I didn’t come here to leave. |
Originally Posted by av8nallday
(Post 3855795)
I am not sure why the union is not putting out logical Q&As about all this stuff. Because some guys just have no clue how this works or really what they could affect by voting without thinking about the consequences. I had one guy in the cockpit that didn’t even know how to vote for the strike and I had to show him how. Some people are just clueless or choose to be clueless and that to me is so infuriating considering I didn’t come here to leave.
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Originally Posted by av8nallday
(Post 3855795)
I have echoed that same stance to many many people thinking they are going to go to a legacy. All I have said in return is “well that’s great that you have your sights set on going to xyz but just remember you need to vote as if you never got that call, could you live with that contract and be happy about your choice” of course when out in that way they start to rethink the idea of what they just said.
I am not sure why the union is not putting out logical Q&As about all this stuff. Because some guys just have no clue how this works or really what they could affect by voting without thinking about the consequences. I had one guy in the cockpit that didn’t even know how to vote for the strike and I had to show him how. Some people are just clueless or choose to be clueless and that to me is so infuriating considering I didn’t come here to leave. |
Originally Posted by dracir1
(Post 3855798)
Probably because we are SO FAR AWAY from a vote, it doesn't make sense to start w/ it now. Most of those who need to hear/read about that haven't been hired yet.
You're probably not to far off on that. When I say to people we will be lucky to get one by 2027/2028 they look at me like I have 5 heads. |
Originally Posted by Stayontarget
(Post 3855799)
They can fly a 100M jet but can’t open their email.
Exactly! Pretty pathetic |
Originally Posted by av8nallday
(Post 3855800)
You're probably not to far off on that. When I say to people we will be lucky to get one by 2027/2028 they look at me like I have 5 heads.
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Originally Posted by dracir1
(Post 3855805)
I have projected summer 27.
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Originally Posted by FreightBum
(Post 3856300)
Will we not be released from the NMB well before that? Not disagreeing but trying to understand where people are getting those kind of expectatinons from.
The company is pretty adept at doing the minimum, but just enough, to keep negotiations going. Now that we have a new mediator, all the history of the company stalling tends to be forgotten/lost and their tactics are new and fresh to the new guy. Negotiation sessions seem to be about 1 every month or two so it's not beyond belief for me that the mediator will start to tire of the lack of progress after about 6 to 9 sessions (keeping in mind that there will be holidays, busy summer flying and the company can change members of their negotiation team and use that as an excuse as well). It's almost comical the breadth of the excuses the company seems to dream up. However, at some point, an impasse will be declared (Jan/Feb 2026). Then, a mandatory waiting period. After that, we have to be asked for binding arbitration which the union will not agree to (only takes one side to say no). After that, another mandatory waiting (cooling off) period. After that, our plea for self-help goes before the current administration (Trump et al) for permission. I may have missed a few other milestones/hurdles but in all, I'd say Summer 2027 |
another datapoint
FedEx has been in contract limbo for 3 years now |
Originally Posted by dracir1
(Post 3856357)
So last time...
The company is pretty adept at doing the minimum, but just enough, to keep negotiations going. Now that we have a new mediator, all the history of the company stalling tends to be forgotten/lost and their tactics are new and fresh to the new guy. Negotiation sessions seem to be about 1 every month or two so it's not beyond belief for me that the mediator will start to tire of the lack of progress after about 6 to 9 sessions (keeping in mind that there will be holidays, busy summer flying and the company can change members of their negotiation team and use that as an excuse as well). It's almost comical the breadth of the excuses the company seems to dream up. However, at some point, an impasse will be declared (Jan/Feb 2026). Then, a mandatory waiting period. After that, we have to be asked for binding arbitration which the union will not agree to (only takes one side to say no). After that, another mandatory waiting (cooling off) period. After that, our plea for self-help goes before the current administration (Trump et al) for permission. I may have missed a few other milestones/hurdles but in all, I'd say Summer 2027 |
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