Do you agree with the NC recall?
 

A simple poll, yes or no.

I agree. This is a simple poll

You guys are so pathetic. The recall gang is now sending out an “audit” of MP FLP not realizing his stewardship of our dues and devising a plan to get us back from a huge deficit that the previous group had us in. Nice try, you aren’t going to convince anyone he is trying to take advantage of FLP. Kind of ironic the person sending it around used FLP to boost their pay and picked up premium trips to do it. This coupled with the sad fact that the former NC chair, who resigned mind you, is cold calling people begging for signatures. All you guys are going to do if you happen to convince enough junior FOs with your BS is delay the process more. Everything is moving along nicely, ALPA national is on board and ready to assist. Stop just trying to get revenge so you can put the “club” back together.

Nice try Mike

Stewardship of dues. Funny. We got a refund. Yeah negotiations is the time to crack down on FPL. I remember his bad ideas of reducing the nc to two members. And giving volunteers a hard time with FPL during sec 6 when that was purposely increased substantially last round to prevent delays this round. That won’t delay to process. Absolutely clueless. Maybe listen to the UAL nc chair from last round explain how over 90% of the time is spend away from the table in that 5*5.

I doubt Mike has time to respond on this dumb forum. It’s always the same five blowhards that always respond on here. Your refund was from national. The locals were in a deficit. Are you guys going to use this “scientific” APC poll next to convince junior pilots, that don’t know the whole story, to sign your petition?

Looks like the same number forming from the scientific poll. Imagine that.

Anyway. 34 million wasted by “your” team. Keep talking nincompoop.

refund was not from national. AC gave the FFT pilots a million bucks a few months before the 1st merger spirit merger was announced….

still does change the fact he wanted to reduce nc to two people. And crying about FPL during sec 6 is ridiculous. Guess what management is thrilled volunteers are potentially unprepared or not available. You’re helping management with that nonsense. Looking back the annual fly in with management should have been the big red flag.

Name calling, how quaint. Knowing the furious five on here, they’ll just create new accounts and vote to create that outcome to bolster their point.



Now, one more time for the hard of hearing. MM resigning is the reason we are delayed now. We can’t function at all without an MEC chair. Why don’t we have one? 163 and 167 put up a grossly under qualified candidate just to block the vice chair from being voted in to keep the delay going. By the way they are the ones who chose to no show an MEC meeting supposedly to stop a roll call vote to unseat MM, who showed he didn’t have the capacity to lead this union by quitting several months later anyway. So who is delaying the process further and helping the company?

You mean we won’t get someone as keen and excellent as JL.Thank god! The last mediator told our Union leadership he was hurting our negotiations more than helping. He is also one of the negotiators of this crappy contract and the reason we have no leverage. And another quick reminder, our NC chair Quit too! Who does that help. The “club” really sticks together.


This is a pretty hefty accusation. Why don’t you make it official and Come out publicly to accuse him? Many people have thought MM and the gang were in the pocket of management with some of the crap that was agreed to. Some still do with all the blocking games going on by people who weren’t smart or clever enough to use these tactics on the company to get a good contract. But have no problem using it to create a rift in and delay in our union.

[QUOTE=I like BIG Bus;4036291]Now, one more time for the hard of hearing. MM resigning is the reason we are delayed now. We can’t function at all without an MEC chair. Why don’t we have one? 163 and 167 put up a grossly under qualified candidate just to block the vice chair from being voted in to keep the delay going. By the way they are the ones who chose to no show an MEC meeting supposedly to stop a roll call vote to unseat MM, who showed he didn’t have the capacity to lead this union by quitting several months later anyway. So who is delaying the process further and helping the company?/QUOTE]

Do you really believe if MM hadn't resigned MP wouldn't have roll called a recall of the NC?



MP boned us all over a personal beef, and three other hapless fools helped

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You mean we won’t get someone as keen and excellent as JL.Thank god!

So now that’s where we’re going to have to just disagree. I’ve worked with JL on FAPA and ALPA committees in the past and he knows what he’s doing. To the point where I called him and asked if he was bailing to another carrier because had he said yes I was tempted to hit submit on my UAL application. If you didn’t like our last agreement at the time you should have joined a committee instead of continuing to yell from the cheap seats.
To have zero negotiators from last round is going to waste months of time at best.

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it’s a circular argument that goes nowhere. GM quit as well. Even though he would have been gone had 165/169 not screwed up math somehow. How is a guy in that position supposed to not resign? Yeah ok I’ll be a committee of one with a target on my back. GMAFB.

You would think a large majority of pilots would have to agree to recall the NC, to make a big move like that.

Interesting, so far it trend the opposite - yet our reps did it anyway.

When the representation no longer represents the pilots, what do we have left?

Same five. Always gives me a chuckle. Take a break guys. Go touch grass or something.

Honest truth is that probably 60% of pilots dont know what is going on with the union on a daily basis and they aren't signed up for textcasters or even checking their union emails...

Most do not agree with the NC recall, even if they do, they don't agree with how blatantly it was done at the first chance 165/169 could overpower via roll call.

165 and 169 need to have their own recalls in a meeting ASAP to see if that truly is what was wanted. They boned 2300 pilots because of some personal vendettas against "the good ole boys".

MP and JH keep claiming that the mediator said JL was hurting us more than helping... that is a half truth. People who were actually there said JL was too much of a hard ass against the company and they hated dealing with him. THAT is the kind of person you want on the NC. Any single one of the NC committee members would answer questions or give you reasons behind what they were doing and asking for and why you dont ask for more or keep expectations.

Now we have two LECs who think they can vote in some hardass people and go get a contract in a few weeks with ALPA training and never have been in a negotiation before. That isn't the case. You are not getting anything for AQP. an LOA for AQP is a NICE thing the COMPANY is giving us if we get one. They DO NOT have to do anything for us about AQP and can implement it at will. Any ask above and beyond for compensation or not implementing AQP until we get something is a slap in the face to the whole point of increasing safety which is the reason ALPA is here.

165 and 169 are telling half truths to keep their LECs misled and ruining the whole 2300 pilots as a result.

I am not in their LECs, and neither are a lot of pilots... So our voices just dont matter? The videos that surfaced of JH talking to a recurrent class was an absolute dumpster fire for someone who is supposed to have all the answers as to WHY they did what they did, but he stumbled over himself and spewed nothing of substance the whole 13 minutes. Because of these decisions for supposed reps of the pilots (themselves), now 2300 pilots are hosed out of negotiations for at least 6 months, and also losing out on probably 60-100k a piece due to the delay, which is a lot more than the 70k of a "wasted" meeting.

60% huh? Where do you get your number from? Is it pure speculation? A better question might be - why would ANYONE who's gone through the training, interviewed, passed multiple checkrides and stayed at Frontier NOT know what's going on? Does anyone really believe pilots at most if not all other airlines are engaged but F9 pilots arent? Especially while in negotiations?

I agree w/ the rest of your message but it's not correct to say/think that a majority of pilots are out of the loop.

This is the worst problem of all going on during Section VI.

Slight exaggeration, but there truly are A LOT of people who have no idea what is going on union side or even company side. People dont even know what LEC they are in, let alone pay attention to union politics or emails.

Honest truth, maybe 30-40%.

good to see there is at least one person here who actually knows what’s going on.
thankfully it is just a small percentage buying into the nonsense being spewed by the side that lost (and the 4-5 loudmouths on fb). Everyone likes to act like JL is so great. JL is the reason we have the 💩 contract we have now.
they tried getting rid of him before but the mec backed down because the other two threatened to quit.
this time they accepted their offer.

Ok, cool, good to know we will have a kick ass contract soon. Can’t wait. Tic tac.