Guys, no matter what is said on this board. I AM SORRY for bringing anything up. I was just trying to get at the F9 guys to see what is happening.
I am over with L4 and I see the loads and they seem good. I don't know how to prove this to you, but I guess it doesn't matter because when the day is done you will still be *****in on this board about something. I have heard good news and bad news. I DO NOT like spreading rumors, I was just asking about what I kept hearing around the airport in den regarding F9.

And Spaceman, I am sorry I will never be able to make my "opinions" fact, and I will never be able to personally please you.

So, with the prices of fuel and the market to seem so bad, lets all hope we can all get through it and have a job when its all over...

That's not "data". Loads might "look good" but be below break-even. That would come as no surprise.

very true.

LJ,

I couldn't copy the article but I have a link to a document written by the Maryland State Aviation Admin. They are the authority at BWI. If you scroll down to the bottom of page 25, you will see a paragraph entitled, "
Efforts to Attract and Retain Airlines". When Southwest started in Baltimore back in the early 90's I recall from newspaper articles Baltimore Sun and the airport's self-published paper that the same methods were employed to attract Southwest into BWI to lower fares in the Balt/Wash area.

The article in the link is more geared to attracting international carriers into BWI, however; I recall the same methods were used to attract Southwest into BWI. Essentially, the article talks about reduce rent and landing fees for a period of two years. I will continue to look for specifics to Southwest's entry into Baltimore but would guess the courtship contained an incentive as listed in the article.

In addition, you can see money was earmarked for AirTran to utilize in a joint marketing agreement in the paragraph marked "First". If memory serves me correct Southwest was offered the same joint marketing monies when they arrived in the early 90's. Again, I will try to find a specific article mentioning it, not just the Airport Authority's annual report.

http://mgadls.state.md.us/2008RS/bud...go_Capital.pdf

In Denver, Southwest has already said that the airport has not offered them incentives to increase service there, but I would contend that this is the exception.

Regards,

FF

http://www.aviationtoday.com/pressreleases/21746.html

"For April 2008, Lynx Aviation reported revenue passenger miles of 24,481,000 and available seat miles of 42,218,000. This resulted in a load factor for April 2008 of 58.0 percent. Lynx Aviation carried 60,851 passengers during April 2008, generating passenger yield of 18.16 cents. Lynx Aviation passenger revenue per available seat mile was 10.53 cents and its average length of haul was 402 miles for April 2008."

The question is what is the break even point on those Q400s, if memory serves me it was about 50%, however with fuel where it is, I don't have a clue. The 400s also are on routes that have been around before lynx, ie former Republic routes while waiting on lynx. I hope frontier makes it, for many reasons!

That is below BEP.

MTOP... Do YOU have any actual data to support any of your general statements?

The fact is they are a heck of a lot cheaper than Republic or any other RJ company. I believe that Lynx will help, not hurt, Frontier's chance of survival. Even if 50% is the break-even number and Lynx is doing 49%, it doesn't mean that they are not profitable to the overall operation because those passengers will then climb on Frontier and go somewhere. Another thing... Aspen used to be United's #1 domestic market. If Frontier/ Lynx can survive till next winter we will be in pretty darn good shape.

FliFast - that article is interesting, but you'll note that those incentives mentioned are available to any airline implementing service to BWI as a destination airport. If you didn't mean to suggest that SWA received preferential treatment, I must have read it wrong.

Thank you, well said.