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Old 03-14-2017, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Flymonkey10 View Post
Clear is right. Don't get your panties in such a wad when someone points out the obvious embarrassing things. Or do you need a safe space and another 2L bottle of Koolaid?
Unfortunately true of far too many of our crews. Bury your head in the sand, pretend everything is great. If faced with undeniable evidence, lash out. I guess if I got hoodwinked that hard by management I'd be in denial also. Meanwhile our "peers" consider us a joke. Sad!
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
Unfortunately true of far too many of our crews. Bury your head in the sand, pretend everything is great. If faced with undeniable evidence, lash out. I guess if I got hoodwinked that hard by management I'd be in denial also. Meanwhile our "peers" consider us a joke. Sad!
Show me where in my post I'm drinking the koolaid. I credit as close to 70 hours every month as possible (while usually flying significantly less), follow the contract to a T, have never taken a JA, and have filed more than my fair share of grievances. My point was kicking someone while they are down is not an honorable thing to do. Instead of trolling why don't you do something positive. I'd love to have this discussion with you guys at our picketing next month, that is if you're comfortable enough to leave the "safe space" of anonymously hiding behind your keyboard.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AncientAliens View Post
Show me where in my post I'm drinking the koolaid. I credit as close to 70 hours every month as possible (while usually flying significantly less), follow the contract to a T, have never taken a JA, and have filed more than my fair share of grievances. My point was kicking someone while they are down is not an honorable thing to do. Instead of trolling why don't you do something positive. I'd love to have this discussion with you guys at our picketing next month, that is if you're comfortable enough to leave the "safe space" of anonymously hiding behind your keyboard.
Picketing will achieve zero. They know you are just doing it on your day off. Until frontier guys and gals start hurting the operation nothing will happen. Have fun walking in mindless circles while they laugh at you. Bonus points if you wear the hat!
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
Picketing will achieve zero. They know you are just doing it on your day off. Until frontier guys and gals start hurting the operation nothing will happen. Have fun walking in mindless circles while they laugh at you. Bonus points if you wear the hat!
they might care a little if it makes the national news?
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
Picketing will achieve zero. They know you are just doing it on your day off. Until frontier guys and gals start hurting the operation nothing will happen. Have fun walking in mindless circles while they laugh at you. Bonus points if you wear the hat!
You need to grow up.
Shame on you for ridiculing a groups show of solidarity.

Btw that hat you make fun of has been worn by hundreds of people in this industry showing the same solidarity long before your time.
ALPA required it on the line at one time.

Maybe you'd be better suited at a carrier without representation.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
Picketing will achieve zero. They know you are just doing it on your day off. Until frontier guys and gals start hurting the operation nothing will happen. Have fun walking in mindless circles while they laugh at you. Bonus points if you wear the hat!
Wow.. I usually lurk, but this level of brain dead requires a response. So, you think collective actions which damage the operation are advisable, which are 100% illegal under the RLA? But, a collective action, which is 100% legal under the RLA, which can show solidarity of collective action (shows management "this is our resolve, and this is what a strike will look like"), which can be a great show for the media (which is not a good thing for a company that may want to IPO), and is probably the best UNITY building event that has ever been conceived, is just "mindless circles, achieving nothing"... were you dropped on your head? Did your mom drink heavily while pregnant? UNITY is what will achieve this contract. Pick up Flying the Line 1 and 2 if you'd like to buy a clue.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:49 PM
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Explain unity. Tell me how striking is better/worse than picketing.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
You need to grow up.
Shame on you for ridiculing a groups show of solidarity.

Btw that hat you make fun of has been worn by hundreds of people in this industry showing the same solidarity long before your time.
ALPA required it on the line at one time.

Maybe you'd be better suited at a carrier without representation.
You look really great wearing it. No really you do!
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
Explain unity. Tell me how striking is better/worse than picketing.
As I said, "PICK UP FLYING THE LINE 1 AND 2 IF YOU'D LIKE TO BUY A CLUE"! Do you get it, or do I have to speak slower and annunciate so you understand?
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Old 03-14-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner View Post
Wow.. I usually lurk, but this level of brain dead requires a response. So, you think collective actions which damage the operation are advisable, which are 100% illegal under the RLA? But, a collective action, which is 100% legal under the RLA, which can show solidarity of collective action (shows management "this is our resolve, and this is what a strike will look like"), which can be a great show for the media (which is not a good thing for a company that may want to IPO), and is probably the best UNITY building event that has ever been conceived, is just "mindless circles, achieving nothing"... were you dropped on your head? Did your mom drink heavily while pregnant? UNITY is what will achieve this contract. Pick up Flying the Line 1 and 2 if you'd like to buy a clue.
Excellent post! I've flown with a few guys that claimed picketing was a waste of time. It's incredibly important for the reasons you just listed.

Speaking of unity... how about we actually start wearing those orange lanyards? So many pilots are still wearing the Frontier, FAPA and Broncos lanyards. Perhaps reps, P2P volunteers, or even line pilots could be sent extras to hand out to those that have "just been too busy".
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