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Old 08-14-2013, 07:09 AM
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I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings that are currently working at Frontier and I wish them all the luck..... But why would anyone want to make the move to the bottom of the seniority list of a company that is only hiring 50 pilots and is in the process of being sold or spun off? Unless its a short stopover while one tries to find a better job?

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Old 08-14-2013, 10:11 AM
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Should I have left Bolo? lol
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Learjet driver View Post
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings that are currently working at Frontier and I wish them all the luck..... But why would anyone want to make the move to the bottom of the seniority list of a company that is only hiring 50 pilots and is in the process of being sold or spun off? Unless its a short stopover while one tries to find a better job?
In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.

I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial.

Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).

If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years.

If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts

IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before.

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Old 08-14-2013, 11:30 AM
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Should I have left Bolo? lol
No! But if it is DAL, UAL, or AA/US then yes!
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:06 PM
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[QUOTE=TenYearsGone;1462860]In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.

I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial.

Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).

If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years.

If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts

IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before.

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I see your point and hope it works out for you but if you wind up looking for another job you could end up at the bottom of the list at DAL, UAL or AMR at the end of a big hiring wave. The difference of one year during a big hiring boom could easily be 1000 numbers.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post
In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.

I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial.

Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).

If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years.

If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts

IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before.

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I see your point and hope it works out for you but if you wind up looking for another job you could end up at the bottom of the list at DAL, UAL or AMR at the end of a big hiring wave. The difference of one year during a big hiring boom could easily be 1000 numbers.
Actually, I fly for Delta.

My premise is for the person who is at a regional, wants to get into flying, is financially set or likes the rewards for taking a risk..

Frontier is a no-brainer for the ones' mentioned above.

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Old 08-14-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post
In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.

I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial.

Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).

If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years.

If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts

IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Franke was not well liked at NK. He is anti pilot. Im sure any NK pilot that was around for the strike can tell you horror stories of Franke in negotiations.

Bedford is the same way. He is the anti-christ for pilots dressed in sheeps clothing. All the pilots at RP warned you guys and the Midwest guys about Bedford spitting out his putrid lies. You guys thought he was the savior of your airline. Im sorry for what he did to F9. Frontier was a great company back in the day and I only wish the best for everyone there. But take heed of this warning. Franke is not going to save the airline if he can just take all the assests and ship them off to all the other airlines that Indigo has all over the world.

This is of course my opinion and I hope im wrong.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post
Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).
Yeah....we aren't worth anything parted out. You'd have to pay to do that.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMntAV8R View Post
Giving up the equity stake in the company would make sense because it is the one thing the that would not require the IBT's approval or a vote. I disagree with Great Santani that we, the pilots would just say no to any concessionary request. The fact is we have a record of agreeing to concessions 100% of the time, we have never said NO! Just my 2 cents worth.
My concern is that RAH says to IBT "we'll give you guys contract X (pay raise for RAH and big cuts for F9)". RAH pilots vote yes, and bingo! But IBT would never do that to us, so no worries there.

As far as the equity stake, FAPA Invest would be stupid to give that up - it would mean big lawsuit from the Frontier pilots, even if we got a big payout in the process.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:02 PM
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As far as the equity stake, FAPA Invest would be stupid to give that up - it would mean big lawsuit from the Frontier pilots, even if we got a big payout in the process.[/QUOTE]

Fault,
I never said it would be smart to give up the equity position. We paid for the right to have this position. When the day comes that the company wants it back you can be sure we will surrender it with a big smile and thank our lucky stars that they didn't lock the doors behind us. If past voting history has any indication on future concessionary request, we have....lets see.....a 100% chance of losing the equity position.
I do hope you are right, time will tell.
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