Congrats...your post wins for more self-involved and ignorant!! Super glad you're at JB...good luck with Delta wages. And so insightful you are with the assertion that "you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators."

Thanks for the help with our 2nd year pay goal, and from all the F9 pilots, a sincere apology that we could potentially be a negative impact on your negotiations.

What a d-bag. 💩💩💩

Sent you a PM

If you are at JetBlue, that means you are working under conditions that management decided on for you. Not exactly blood, sweat, and tears on your part. I am glad the pilots there brought in ALPA representation and wish you the best of luck in your first contract in the spirit of pattern bargaining.

For those interested in coming here.. reserve QOL can be greatly increased with aggressive reserve, long and medium call, and reserve day swapping in Flica. Don't expect to get all weekends/holidays off right off the bat, but in my experience, immediately after IOE I was able swap into at least one or two weekends off and that was with a schedule with all weekend reserve. Pay attention to when the next class hits the line, it increases coverage and allows you more flexibility.

I commuted to reserve and it does wear on you. But if I lived in base, I would bid reserve probably 3/4 months a year and enjoy the time at home.

Care to dig around and see when the Legacies changed from <$30/hr for probationary pilots LUVely professional? It wasn't all that long ago. Around the age 65 rule change I think.

Maybe you forgot that we are still operating under a concessionary contract post bankruptcy?

Before 2008 I rode the crew van with plenty of UAL 757/767 Captains who were making less flying wide and long haul under their concessionary contract than the ample supply same or lower years-of-service 114-128 seat AB pilots at Frontier.

BTW - The wage rates I quoted are fact, not some anecdotal "When I was your age.." mumbo jumbo. I personally think having a lower 1st year payscale and holding new hires to a high standard does a LOT better job of weeding out those who actually want to be here than buying a type or signing a training contract would.

Yes, we need a raise across the board; 1st year on up. Our Section 6 openers are in 246 days, but who's counting :-)

And another country heard from. It's easy to sit in the cheap seats - seats provided by the largest infusion of start up capital in airline history, in case you forgot.

Jet Blue Skies - Forbes circa 2001: '“I raised the money–$130 million–in two weeks,”' Neeleman says. “We had no [airport] slots, no gates, no planes, nothing. But the investors know me and trust me. Plus, I’m a good storyteller.” Weston and Chase Capital were return investors and George Soros was brought into the deal. After blowing through $30 million before JetBlue flew its first flight, Neeleman appealed for and got another $30 million to plug the hole." (a good investment by Soros BTW).

As Hacksaw sarcastically said, "We enjoy having the lowest AB wages around." - NOT! We are still working under a contract signed at the beginning of 2007, and which has been degraded since.

Maybe you weren't paying attention when we successfully fought our way through bankruptcy, and a couple other significant challenges - so we could exist to negotiate for higher wages?

Now your learned position is that we should have just gone out of business to improve YOUR bargaining position? Nice. There's only too much capacity when it's the other guy's capacity you're talking about. Back to GoJets with you.

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

But how long have you been at JB?

During the legacy concession and BK cuts, JB's (and other LCC's) pay was used as the "lowered" bar for setting new rates at the legacies for Airbus rates.

So while you cry foul that Frontier may be hampering your future rates, JB helped to reduce legacy rates years previous.

Ain't that something?

Guys, perhaps I misspoke or spoke out of line. All I'm trying to suggest is that we all try to stay at the same level for the aircraft we fly. It is much easier if we have fewer outliers in pay (up or down) so that we can all be paid what we are worth. Fair?

seekingblue, You appear to be new to the industry and whether you intended to be inflammatory or not, you were successful in ****ing on a group of fine professional pilots that had the perseverance to survive incredible odds in order to fight another day. The concessionary contract we are operating under has an early opener in 2016, at which time the Frontier pilots are indeed planning to negotiate the best contract possible. With record profits, it should be one even you can be proud of:/

I'm glad to hear that contract negotiations are opening. I hope you guys can get a great contract that pays you what you are worth.

Come on guys you sound like a bunch of 20 something regional pilots. No offense. :)

Lets get back to sharing info to make our lives better.
Best Regards