Can we continue this conversation in a civil manor? Looks like we're going to get a chance to vote. As of right now, I'm leaning towards a yes vote.

How about this BOD is giving away our negotiating rights under LOA 67 A 2&3? I know it's in hopes of something, but why??? I'm sure Biffle is laughing at this BOD more and more.

You're referring to same BOD that is receiving consultation from ALPA; it may have been ALPA's idea to pass on the immediate money grab outlined in LOA 67. ALPA is already involved in our negotiations, so I'd be careful about riding that ALPA unicorn to contract salvation. Although disappointing, it may prove to be the arguably right decision. We can't say until we have a new signed contract.

I guess you're saying it might be better to get nothing now, and have more leverage in section 6 because of it?

No, it's not about leverage. It's about tying up the company with a seperate set of negotiations over language in LOA 67 hoping for a quick money grab, and maybe it works and maybe it doesn't. It certainly would have stalled negotiations on a new contract. If the new contract takes 4 years to negotiate then you could argue it would have been worthwhile to have those LOA 67 pay bump talks. On the other hand, if it takes 1 year to negotiate a new contract with significant pay raises then it was obviously a smart move.

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

Did I just hear you guys signed an LOA that says you guys "supercede" all other pilots from the other airline?

Hahahahahahahahahaah

What are you talking about? I've heard nothing of the sort.

Disregard :)

Um.... Yea, are we really taking at face value that management is giving us a reach around on the CBA because we are tabling our right to have 2 separate reasons to negotiate (both the CBA and the LOA 67?). The same management that Spirit pilots had to strike against to get a contract? Yea, I'm sure those guys didn't start laughing as soon as the door closed on our BOD. We got played for fools. As it was explained to me by a Captain in the red lanyards, it's 2 separate entities (NC and BOD) working under 2 separate reasons to negotiate. And id say as per LOA 67, business conditions are pretty damn good right now. Didn't a company with less aircraft, fewer pilots, and making less money just get bought for 2.6 bil? As far as giving up leverage, yea... The pilot group already did that a few years ago, not sure why we felt the need to give up more. You're right, we will see how this plays out...

I get the feeling your negotiations as well as ours (Spirits) will be dragged out as long as possible. We will both make slight pogress then BOOM. Merger is announced and we start from scratch.

How was AA& Airways able to implement an LOA that had significantly higher payrates go into effect the day the Merger was official? That'd be nice for both groups