Retiring USAF Pilot/Early Indoc/DEN Domicle?
 

Greetings,

I am a retiring USAF pilot who has been out of the cockpit for a few years, targeting a regional to get recurrent and competitive. I was offered a CJO with GoJet with the option to attend indoc and hack my seniority clock in Jan, with the understanding that I would not be avail for training until after retirement in Jul. They apparently only offer this to retiring military folks...they claim that after those 6 months of seniority (and two additional months in training) I would be able to hold DEN as an FO once I hit the line. Just looking for any validation on that and any other recommendations/advice. I have 2600ish TT (turbine) in heavies, so I am not concerned about longevity with the company and the pay/health/etc...just the potential to move to DEN with the family, hold a line, and fly...and not have the hassle of commuting. SkyWest is the other option there (and in COS), but would probably be quite some time to hold either as an FO. Thoughts? Thanks!

Not a GoJet guy, but more commenting on the decision to move the family to Denver.

Make sure you consider also your next step beyond the regionals in making this decision. Denver is one of the toughest cities to commute from in the country; there are a lot of pilots who live there, and thus a lot of folks with whom you'd be competing to get on the jumpseat to go to your *career* job at a major airline.

I know you've been looking all over the country at a lot of different cities over the last several months (at least in terms of the questions you've been asking on APC), and obviously I don't know what other factors are leading you to currently be looking at Denver, but at least take a look at the commute situation and factor it into your decision.

Leave it to GoJet to invent another way to abrogate seniority. :rolleyes:

Proofread thread titles. (Looks like someone took pity and corrected "Endoc.")

You can't be recurrent in an airplane you've never flown. You want regency of experience.

If you work for GoJet, consider putting "*****house Piano Player" on your resume for that timeframe.

Don't know why wh0rehouse is autocensored.






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Thanks...I caught the Indoc typo and fixed it. BTW...it's recency...not "regency"...you should proofread your replies :)

You are so right!


Good luck to you.


Stay away from the scumbag operators.






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Copy and thanks...we were just down in Dallas and Houston looking around in those areas. Commute would certainly be easier from there for sure, but mama is leaning towards DEN. Also having to move before I know who may hire me in the future is proving to be challenging. We have looked at LAS as well...but not on the short list. As I mentioned in previous posts, she wants to stay put for 4 years until I get the last kid through HS. In DEN, that means I am betting on UA or SWA...or will be commuting for 4 years. So, appreciate the comment on the commute issue. I have a bud that lives in DEN with UA and domiciled in SFO, and says it's manageable. But...that's just one data point against one carrier. At the end of the day, there seems to be no perfect solution on the west side of the country (our target)...thus the multiple posts to gather as much info as I can.

This may be irrelevant, and you may not be hard up or cash, but food for thought is that Endevor and now Republic has significantly increased their pay rates. Republics’ details to come out next week some time.

I have looked hard at Endeavor, but it's a tough sell to my wife with those locations. I have heard great things about both.

Well if the wife wants Denver you’re probably going to Denver.

Based on the December seniority list at GoJet(G7) the junior FOs in DEN are 8/17, 6/17, 6/17, 4/17 so yes in theory with 6 months “banked” seniority plus training time you should be able to hold a DEN base after IOE (initial operating experience)

If living in Denver and not commuting are your highest priorities then GoJet may be a good fit for you.

If you want to PM I’ll give you my number and we can discuss the other pros and cons.

Sent you a PM

We've all been through that, so I sympathize.

The #1 most important thing is to move where mama will be happy. She and the family are going to be there 100% of the time, while you are most likely not going to be (unless fate lines up the stars and your career domicile happens to be in that same place).

That being said, if you are going to commute, within certain factors it almost doesn't matter where you live or where you get hired. There are obviously many places you could possibly work, and within that many bases you could be assigned to. Plus, bases close and open, fleets are introduced and retired, etc, during the course of a career. No, Delta is probably not going to leave Atlanta and United is probably not leaving Denver...but there are ex-TWA folks that thought St Louis was probably a sure thing, too.

So, picking a residence based on "what airline" and "what base" has serious pitfalls, especially since you have no idea where your "career destination" is going to be. I certainly wouldn't pick it based on what regional you will be doing a short touch-and-go at.

Copy and thanks. I agree...but, I can certainly hedge my bet a bit by picking a commute-friendly location. As you can see from previous posts, we were looking at Vegas, Houston and Dallas as well. I have heard Denver can be a tough spot to commute from based on the #s and commuter competition...others have said they do it without many issues. That being said, having the potential option to not commute right off the bat with GoJet is certainly a plus.

Good luck with the decision. I was hired as a Street captain by gojet in May 2017 (I had a previous 7 years with them) and the banking of the 6 month seniority would work out nicely for you. Indoc in STL followed by a minimum of one month in STL before being able to bid out to DEN. That commute (while I don't do it) isn't too bad if you have to do it for a while. SW, GoJet flights for UAL, etc are good options and better than ORD-DEN from what I've heard. Denver is senior and a smaller base so movement on the CA side is slow if you are still at GoJet for long. With that being said the Mil background may make your stay a short one.

Feel free to PM me as well.

Thanks for that...PM sent.

Be careful coming to this place Brad Sargent and Randy Bratcher will bounce you out of here faster than ****. Just like they did to a member of the Air National guard. A few months later they wanted to retract his termination to avoid going to trial for a lousy $20,000. Source of my information is court documents as well as depositions.

You keep telling this story year after year. I don't know what constantly triggers you about this place but I can tell you I have worked for multiple airlines and this is by far one of the easiest to approach management. Randy and Brad highly value honesty and candor, I have experienced it first hand-multiple times.
Also my time here has been highly enjoyable with great crews, my movement up the seniority list has been fast, my quality of life far better than it ever was at my former "top-tier" "Great-contract" regional.

Keeping people informed when they make a decision to come here. Especially an Air Force guy needs to know what Randy and Brad truly think about members of the armed forces. Perhaps you have not flown with either of them but it is disgraceful on the yelling and screaming obscene tirades they go on. Anyone with some history here can perhaps keep you informed on the true personality of these two characters. No integrity whatsoever.

I am prior USAF and both thanked me personally for my service. Also, Randy is retired Navy, so your post about him hating the military is plain wrong. Like 135121 mentioned, they are all about honesty and hard work. Ya think that might have more to play than the other? I would say close to 25% percent of the pilot group is prior military or military affiliated.

I’ll also add that I’ve been treated better here than I ever was at another large non-wholly owned regional.

Happy trolling though!

Honesty and integrity is out of the scope of both Randy and Brad. Fact is that they told a member of the U.S. Armed Forces that they will bounce them out of here faster than ****. Fact is that he was terminated while attending his commitments in the U.S. Armed Forces reserve for partaking in these activities. After the member filed suite in federal court GoJet decided to reinstate the member acknowledging wrongdoing on the behalf of Randy Bratcher and Brad Sargent. Based on GoJets trial brief and depositions they admit to it. Just because one is a prior member of the armed forces does not automatically exonerate you from any and all wrong doing. So this defense of Randy and Brad is not valid. The facts are that they acted with malice against this person because he was attending his duties and sought out to harm this individual for being a member of the U.S. Armed Forces.

My interactions with both Randy and Brad have not been truthful on there behalf by any means. Inclusive when you tell them the truth they go on this tirade full of derogatory insults and further will go to great lengths and lies to seek harm.

Some information to consider when you come here as well. GoJet has 81 aviation safety violations reported summing up $2,374,100 in fines and 4 aviation consumer protection violations resulting in $160,000 in fines.

That's a lie, the combined businesses of Compass, Trans States and GoJet equal that total since the year 2000. The majority of which were assigned to TSA.

Parrent Company Name: SkyWest
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol SKYW)
Headquartered in: Utah
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $3,104,824
Number of records: 120

Parent Company Name: Delta Air Lines
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol DAL)
Headquartered in: Georgia
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $278,282,059
Number of records: 584

Parent Company Name: Alaska Air
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol ALK)
Headquartered in: Washington
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $9,100,529
Number of records: 231

Parent Company Name: JetBlue Airways
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol JBLU)
Headquartered in: New York
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $1,357,950
Number of records: 28

Parent Company Name: United Continental
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol UAL)
Headquartered in: Illinois
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $26,676,188
Number of records: 480

Parent Company Name: Allegiant Air
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol ALGT)
Headquartered in: Nevada
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $397,500
Number of records: 9

rent Company Name: American Airlines
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol AAL)
Headquartered in: Texas
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $114,437,636
Number of records: 770

Parent Company Name: Mesa Air
Ownership Structure: privately held
Headquartered in: Arizona
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $1,723,599
Number of records: 86

Parent Company Name: Spirit Airlines
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol SAVE)
Headquartered in: Florida
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $1,303,738
Number of records: 32

Parent Company Name: Trans States Holdings
Ownership Structure: privately held
Headquartered in: Missouri
Industry: airlines
Penalty total since 2000: $2,534,100
Number of records: 85

I have heard 1st person accounts of highly-skilled military pilots being failed for trivial reasons. This is certainly a trend now and I would think twice about your next move.

interesting comparison but I am pretty sure that you can't really compare GoJetZ to places like United, American, Delta, others from the list you have put together. I am pretty sure GoJetZ does not come anywhere remotely close in any aspect whatsoever to them.

what is considered a "safety violation" ?

Landed on a taxi-way ?

Or no hard-hats used in a work area ?

etc etc

Oh man.... here comes qualified50 again whining because he failed out of training. I’ve flown trips with Randy and he is definitely a pilot looks out for other pilots needs and is just an all-around nice guy.

But for the original question I moved to Denver from Florida at the beginning of training. Only took a month or two to hold Denver base.

Thanks for all the info...didn’t anticipate all this churn coming from my orig post :)

Posting this primarily because of that qualified50 guy and his rants.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156254767379668&id=15108275 9667

Very creative but I am not sure what you are talking about failing out of training but I passed all my training events at this place including my initial with Randy despite his antics yelling and screaming and disparaging remarks. Inclusive if you have flow with him you must have seen him rocking his seat so immaturely as well.

O I forget you have not been here long enough.

Let me get this straight, Nick lutz gets nominated for an award from ESGR and it automatically exonerates Randy Bracther and Brad Sargent and I quote them bouncing a national guard member out here faster than ****?

Let me guess also when the company gets taken to court for this illegal termination out of there own heart they offer him his job back and by the way they are so nice that they offer him a measly $20,000 to return back to work.

Maybe we should nominate the company for an award for being so nice and reinstating and giving him $20,000 for him to return to work after he was negligently terminated.

Dude I’ve been here for over a year now. I don’t know how much more time I would need with the company to figure out whether or not I like it and the people who run it. But I had a trip with Randy on probably my third week off of IOE ( so obviously I wasn’t perfect) and I had a really good time And never saw any of the behavior you keep talking about.

Reguardless, I’m sorry you feel this way and have such a bad taste in your mouth from your from your experience at G7; but please Just stay out of these threads. Nobody wants to hear you whine & complain anymore.

You have been here what a grand total of 15 maybe 16 months? You have no idea of the true face of these individuals. If you have been here for over 5 or 6 years then maybe then you can talk but since you haven't then you have no clue. You are still in the honeymoon stage, wait until you have to do a gear up landing or you loose pressure at FL390 or you are forced to take an aircraft with a deferred nose wheel steering with sleet and slush covered taxi way and runways.

Eseloco with his 15 or maybe 16 months of experience comes on here and talks as if he is an expert on everyone and everything Gojet. Just because you have not been in a situation where Gojet had decided it is their best interest to attack you does not mean it has not happened to the many people who have come on this site to warn people about this place.

Then since you don't like when I tell a retiring AF pilot how a national guard member got bounced out of here faster than **** how Randy Bratcher likes to say you get offended and bend out of shape and since you have absolutely nothing to justify this incident you start to fabricate a story that completely lacks creativity and is baseless by stating that I failed out of training to counter my argument without having any idea of who I am or even what my background is before coming to this place.

I will not stay out of these threads and I will continue to post as I deem to inform people of these incidents. Perhaps you may stay out of the thread if you don't like to read the truth about this place and you can go to your daddies office and curl up in the fetal position for consolation and comfort because you read all these terrible stories online.

“Curl up in the fetal position for consolidation and comfort” ?? Haha says the crybaby snowflake who feels like he was treated unfairly. I’m done even giving any type of attention to your comments. Feel free to complain and b**** as much as you like.

People that came to this place before me where treated like ****, I have been and continue to be treated like **** and I am sure that after I leave this place hopefully this year people will continue to get treated like ****. All you have to do is go read the forums from the present to 4, 5, 6, 7 even 8 years ago and beyond and you will see the type people that run this place and there lack of values. So yes with or without your approval I will continue to take the liberty of letting people know what to expect when they come to work here and what type of treatment to expect from these two racist individuals.

You need a comma before "hopefully" and after, "year". I have not seen any racists. Unfortunately, my experience with Gojet has not been as positive as yours.

I would not count on getting that new recruiting job that just opened up in Hawaii.

Quick question, since they treat everyone like ****, how can you tell they are being racist when they do it? One thing has changed, it used to be that they would treat you like **** and then fire you to really mistreat you. Now they treat you like **** and to really mistreat you, they don't fire you.

(Come on guys, this is some good stuff! Should I quit aviation and hit the comedy circuit? 1 to 10, how do I rate?)

Are you wanting to know beyond the the racial slurs, and derogatory racial insults yelled out in the flight deck during IOE, in the simulator during your inicial PC or the derogatory talk that is carried out in the terminal geared towards a minority group in St Louis? Or is this not enough for them to be considered racist?

Since you want to be my grammar ***** go ahead and feel free to correct my gramatical errors going forward including but not limited to spelling and punctuation. This way you can feel good about yourself.

The commas are needed because otherwise it says that, "hopefully this year people will continue to get treated like ****." I don't think you meant to say that.

I believe my post added to your points.

I wasn’t going to touch this again. But it’s been bothering me a lot because you’re full of it. I am Spanish and have one of the most Spanish names you can have and certainly have never experienced even an ounce of any type of racism. There are a ton of minoritys that work at G7 and have been working there for years. People probably just don’t like you because you’re weird . :D

You're not wrong. Any given day on the radio:

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