Think GoJet will lose the Delta flying?
01-03-2019, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
This goes back a long way but check the history of Express1 pilots being integrated with Mesaba pilots in the late 90’s. No merger or acquisition took place. ALPA pleaded with the Mesaba pilots to accept a certain number of Express pilots onto the Mesaba seniority list. Mesaba was growing and Express1 was downsizing. Mesaba pilots were asked to do this “because it’s the right thing to do.” Captains were slotted in, FO’s were stapled. I was there, it happened. There is a precedent.
01-03-2019, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There was no precedent. Management decided this would be in their best interest and allowed it to proceed. Again unions can’t decide to merge lists.
I do not know the history well enough to say whether management started the ball rolling. Perhaps it was the unions that approached management who then got on board. Again, I’m not sure.
Serious question;
Are you familiar with the Mesaba/Express1 situation? Familiar enough to make the statement “management decided it would be in their best interest?”
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01-03-2019, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
This goes back a long way but check the history of Express1 pilots being integrated with Mesaba pilots in the late 90’s. No merger or acquisition took place. ALPA pleaded with the Mesaba pilots to accept a certain number of Express pilots onto the Mesaba seniority list. Mesaba was growing and Express1 was downsizing. Mesaba pilots were asked to do this “because it’s the right thing to do.” Captains were slotted in, FO’s were stapled. I was there, it happened. There is a precedent.
In an arbitrated integration, the company might refuse the results, but then they might run afoul of federal law, which was the underlying basis for the arbitration.
01-03-2019, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
If UAL 700’s go back to the lessor, it won’t surprise me these planes find a home with AAL or DAL. Just probably not as GoJet aircraft.
01-03-2019, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Delta just dropped a bunch of CR7s, by replacing them with 70 seat 175s (former ASA flying) and 70 seat CR9s (Skywest replacing themselves), like United is intending to do. The only place a CR7 makes sense today is AA, due to the small RJ clause of 65 seats, versus 50 at UA/DL. That’s assuming they don’t get straight beer canned. No likely demand for AEI to make a freighter out of the CR7/CR9 due to the floor slope.
01-03-2019, 09:36 AM
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As for what will happen with the pilots reference the other two TSH entities is anyone’s guess. Much will depend on Hulas and what he does. Will he “sell” GoJet to TSA or Compass? Or merge it with one of them if it loses two contracts? Let it unwind?
Also, it assumes GoJet pilots won’t go elsewhere. ExpressJet will probably ramp up hiring incentives once the deal is complete, and upgrade times will probably go down there.
Then what happens with TSA and Compass. The rumor is that Hulas does not want to sell individual pieces of TSH. But if GoJet, the entitiy none of the majors seem to want is gone, will he still hold out? TSA is positioned to be spun off if UAL wants to really lock down most of their regional flying “in house” so to speak.
Consolidation in the regionals is long over due. I think we only saw round 1. Round 2 coming up in 2019.
Also, it assumes GoJet pilots won’t go elsewhere. ExpressJet will probably ramp up hiring incentives once the deal is complete, and upgrade times will probably go down there.
Then what happens with TSA and Compass. The rumor is that Hulas does not want to sell individual pieces of TSH. But if GoJet, the entitiy none of the majors seem to want is gone, will he still hold out? TSA is positioned to be spun off if UAL wants to really lock down most of their regional flying “in house” so to speak.
Consolidation in the regionals is long over due. I think we only saw round 1. Round 2 coming up in 2019.
01-03-2019, 02:12 PM
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Gojet's Delta planes are going back to Delta. I don't know who Delta will have flying them, Endeavor probably.
Gojet's 25 planes that it is flying for United are going to Skywest, if agreement concludes, which I don't see why it would not. Both sides seem to want it done.
I thought they were going to be flown for American, but, when Skywest sold Expressjet to United, part of the agreement is that Gojet gets a new contract to fly 25 more planes. Could those be the Gojet planes? I don't know. United wants to get rid of the 700s except for Aspen but is it going to allow Skywest to fly them to satisfy their Expressjet purchase?
On the other hand, the Expressjet American flying terminates in April 2019 and Skywest might be able to move them to American flying. American still likes the 700s.
Taking these knowns and unknowns together and mixing them up, we have 3 or 4 things that might happen, any of which might be the plan, and even if correct, the plan might change. GJ's 29 Delta planes go to Endeavor, Endeavor takes no Gojet pilots but might hire some of them soon. Gojet's 25 United planes go to Skywest but they fly them for American, by Skywest pilots. Skywest gets 25 more 175s that it then flys for United per the Expressjet sale agreement.
Gojet pilots do not go anywhere with the planes, in any scenario. Skywest takes all the GJ pilots that want to go there, gives them 1 for 1 pay longevity up to 10 years but they start at the bottom. At the bottom will mean they can be a Captain by the time they finish IOE if they already have the requirements. I believe they call it their soft landing.
Hulas then sells TSA and Compass to Republic. Hulas then dies in a surfing accident 2 weeks later or chokes to death on a chicken bone while eating at Hooters.
Gojet's 25 planes that it is flying for United are going to Skywest, if agreement concludes, which I don't see why it would not. Both sides seem to want it done.
I thought they were going to be flown for American, but, when Skywest sold Expressjet to United, part of the agreement is that Gojet gets a new contract to fly 25 more planes. Could those be the Gojet planes? I don't know. United wants to get rid of the 700s except for Aspen but is it going to allow Skywest to fly them to satisfy their Expressjet purchase?
On the other hand, the Expressjet American flying terminates in April 2019 and Skywest might be able to move them to American flying. American still likes the 700s.
Taking these knowns and unknowns together and mixing them up, we have 3 or 4 things that might happen, any of which might be the plan, and even if correct, the plan might change. GJ's 29 Delta planes go to Endeavor, Endeavor takes no Gojet pilots but might hire some of them soon. Gojet's 25 United planes go to Skywest but they fly them for American, by Skywest pilots. Skywest gets 25 more 175s that it then flys for United per the Expressjet sale agreement.
Gojet pilots do not go anywhere with the planes, in any scenario. Skywest takes all the GJ pilots that want to go there, gives them 1 for 1 pay longevity up to 10 years but they start at the bottom. At the bottom will mean they can be a Captain by the time they finish IOE if they already have the requirements. I believe they call it their soft landing.
Hulas then sells TSA and Compass to Republic. Hulas then dies in a surfing accident 2 weeks later or chokes to death on a chicken bone while eating at Hooters.
01-03-2019, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyJustice
Gojet's Delta planes are going back to Delta. I don't know who Delta will have flying them, Endeavor probably.
Gojet's 25 planes that it is flying for United are going to Skywest, if agreement concludes, which I don't see why it would not. Both sides seem to want it done.
I thought they were going to be flown for American, but, when Skywest sold Expressjet to United, part of the agreement is that Gojet gets a new contract to fly 25 more planes. Could those be the Gojet planes? I don't know. United wants to get rid of the 700s except for Aspen but is it going to allow Skywest to fly them to satisfy their Expressjet purchase?
On the other hand, the Expressjet American flying terminates in April 2019 and Skywest might be able to move them to American flying. American still likes the 700s.
Taking these knowns and unknowns together and mixing them up, we have 3 or 4 things that might happen, any of which might be the plan, and even if correct, the plan might change. GJ's 29 Delta planes go to Endeavor, Endeavor takes no Gojet pilots but might hire some of them soon. Gojet's 25 United planes go to Skywest but they fly them for American, by Skywest pilots. Skywest gets 25 more 175s that it then flys for United per the Expressjet sale agreement.
Gojet pilots do not go anywhere with the planes, in any scenario. Skywest takes all the GJ pilots that want to go there, gives them 1 for 1 pay longevity up to 10 years but they start at the bottom. At the bottom will mean they can be a Captain by the time they finish IOE if they already have the requirements. I believe they call it their soft landing.
Hulas then sells TSA and Compass to Republic. Hulas then dies in a surfing accident 2 weeks later or chokes to death on a chicken bone while eating at Hooters.
Gojet's 25 planes that it is flying for United are going to Skywest, if agreement concludes, which I don't see why it would not. Both sides seem to want it done.
I thought they were going to be flown for American, but, when Skywest sold Expressjet to United, part of the agreement is that Gojet gets a new contract to fly 25 more planes. Could those be the Gojet planes? I don't know. United wants to get rid of the 700s except for Aspen but is it going to allow Skywest to fly them to satisfy their Expressjet purchase?
On the other hand, the Expressjet American flying terminates in April 2019 and Skywest might be able to move them to American flying. American still likes the 700s.
Taking these knowns and unknowns together and mixing them up, we have 3 or 4 things that might happen, any of which might be the plan, and even if correct, the plan might change. GJ's 29 Delta planes go to Endeavor, Endeavor takes no Gojet pilots but might hire some of them soon. Gojet's 25 United planes go to Skywest but they fly them for American, by Skywest pilots. Skywest gets 25 more 175s that it then flys for United per the Expressjet sale agreement.
Gojet pilots do not go anywhere with the planes, in any scenario. Skywest takes all the GJ pilots that want to go there, gives them 1 for 1 pay longevity up to 10 years but they start at the bottom. At the bottom will mean they can be a Captain by the time they finish IOE if they already have the requirements. I believe they call it their soft landing.
Hulas then sells TSA and Compass to Republic. Hulas then dies in a surfing accident 2 weeks later or chokes to death on a chicken bone while eating at Hooters.
ExpressJet ends their American flying this month (not in April) and is acquired from SkyWest by a United led investor group before Feb 1st. United is capped out on 70 and 76 seaters.
SkyWest flies the 700 for American and American has room under the cap for these aircraft. If acquired by SkyWest, these aircraft have to be headed for American. SkyWest has a promise of 25 more aircraft for United if United is able to negotiate more room under the cap which seems unlikely unless United adds more SNB aircraft.
01-03-2019, 04:14 PM
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Hulas then sells TSA and Compass to Republic. Hulas then dies in a surfing accident 2 weeks later or chokes to death on a chicken bone while eating at Hooters.[/QUOTE]
United already put the can on the Republic buying trans states....
United already put the can on the Republic buying trans states....
01-03-2019, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MolineCFI
A friend of mine is a mechanic at G7 and told me that they now are working to match parts to the proper airplane. So if an FMC that came with aircraft 169 is now on aircraft 153, he is working to get the FMC back on 169 and the original 153 FMC back there. He says that there are certain parts that have to go back with an aircraft that it came with. He says it is a lot of work getting all the part back where they belong.
He is with his 3rd airline and says he saw this at his expired airlines. He says it is a good sign because it shows an organized plan. If the airline just suddenly closes then it can be done when all the planes are sitting, which is easier.
Is anyone experienced with this?
He is with his 3rd airline and says he saw this at his expired airlines. He says it is a good sign because it shows an organized plan. If the airline just suddenly closes then it can be done when all the planes are sitting, which is easier.
Is anyone experienced with this?
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