Jet transition training
#1
Jet transition training
Hi all
Does any one know where I can find a jet transition course. I found old stuff about delta connection academy which became aerosim then L3 who does not appear to have a jet transition course at this time.
Is there anything else out there?
Does any one know where I can find a jet transition course. I found old stuff about delta connection academy which became aerosim then L3 who does not appear to have a jet transition course at this time.
Is there anything else out there?
#2
They're a waste of money. Initial training is essentially a jet transition course these days.
#3
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Agreed. Prepare for your multi-engine checkride (with instrument) again as if you were doing it tomorrow in Bravo airspace. The big differences in the training is the V1 cut and the engine fail on the go around and the FMS. Learning one FMS doesn’t necessarily prepare you for a different FMS.
#4
The reason I ask is sadly I did not pass my check ride at GoJet after having had several extra sims. They said they would welcome me back in 6 months if I take a jet transition course.
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
Last edited by Flyinlynn; 01-14-2019 at 11:11 PM.
#5
The reason I ask is sadly I did not pass my check ride at GoJet after having had several extra sims. They said they would welcome me back in 6 months if I take a jet transition course.
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
In truth, some regionals are doing new-hires a disservice by hiring folks who aren't ready. What do they care if you end up with a PRIA event or have to disclose to future employers that you did not complete a 121 training program?
Good luck, but my advice is don't try to short this. As desperate as GJ is for pilots, if they busted you out, you shouldn't be there right now. I've heard some awful things about they're training department, but your background leads me to believe you actually aren't ready.
You definitely can get ready, but it ain't cheap and some MEI signing off on something in a prop is not gonna cut it. Just my take.
#6
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The reason I ask is sadly I did not pass my check ride at GoJet after having had several extra sims. They said they would welcome me back in 6 months if I take a jet transition course.
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
They even contacted me the day after I returned home last Thursday. He said he spoke with Randy and wanted to pass along that Randy also said to take a transition course and I would be welcomed back.
For me it was a big jump from being a Cessna CFI. I got my flight hours over many years while working full time. Steam gauges and no autopilot.
I was really close to ready but messed up a couple of things and that was it. If I just could have had one more sim I’m confident I could have done it. I had a two week break over Christmas after sim 10 and don’t think that helped much either.
That was exactly what I messed up the single engine go around also sadly the two engine go around. I for some reason started to do a stall recovery is my best guess and raised the flaps too soon. And not enough rudder on the SE go around
I was thinking maybe getting a MEI might say I did something to make myself better if I can’t find a jet transition course. Last I flew a twin was two years ago
Really bummed out right now...
#7
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 579
Have you applied somewhere else that flies the CRJ and let’s you pick your aircraft? I would view the training you received at GoJet as your Jet Transition Training and just go someplace else. Don’t wait 6 months for the skills to get rusty. If not 121, get some 135 experience.
#8
Have you applied somewhere else that flies the CRJ and let’s you pick your aircraft? I would view the training you received at GoJet as your Jet Transition Training and just go someplace else. Don’t wait 6 months for the skills to get rusty. If not 121, get some 135 experience.
Any suggestions for 135 in Washington state?
ATP does not appear to have a stand alone Jet transition any longer. There was an article on their blog but the link from the article leads to page not found.
I only see an Airbus type rating program at ATP for $13,195 for 14 days.
Found this in FLL “Aviator College's Jet Transition Course“ Fourty hours for $5000.00
https://www.aviator.edu/jet
The better half wants me to go back to my old job
#9
I have no doubt if you contact ATP or FLIGHTSAFETY, they can put together a 2 or 3 day program for you, but be prepared to open your wallet. Most likely ATP would be more reasonable, using a no-motion FTD.
In truth, some regionals are doing new-hires a disservice by hiring folks who aren't ready. What do they care if you end up with a PRIA event or have to disclose to future employers that you did not complete a 121 training program?
Good luck, but my advice is don't try to short this. As desperate as GJ is for pilots, if they busted you out, you shouldn't be there right now. I've heard some awful things about they're training department, but your background leads me to believe you actually aren't ready.
You definitely can get ready, but it ain't cheap and some MEI signing off on something in a prop is not gonna cut it. Just my take.
In truth, some regionals are doing new-hires a disservice by hiring folks who aren't ready. What do they care if you end up with a PRIA event or have to disclose to future employers that you did not complete a 121 training program?
Good luck, but my advice is don't try to short this. As desperate as GJ is for pilots, if they busted you out, you shouldn't be there right now. I've heard some awful things about they're training department, but your background leads me to believe you actually aren't ready.
You definitely can get ready, but it ain't cheap and some MEI signing off on something in a prop is not gonna cut it. Just my take.
#10
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Posts: 428
Keep trying and apply everywhere!
I can only speak to the airline I work for and what I've heard from recruiters and chief pilots here but a failure at gojet is different than a failure at say envoy/psa/skywest/endeavor. I would submit applications EVERYWHERE and when someone gives you a response and it's time to interview, explain the situation with class and integrity. Highlight how you learned from the failure and are ready to come back stronger. Most importantly take responsibility, we all have made mistakes, whats important is how we learn from them. Gojet is a sh!t bag operation with some really good pilots who have been dealt a bad hand from going there. Industry managers know this and are more likely to give a gojet refugee a second look versus a failure from higher calibur training environment. (I use higher calibur loosely since we are talking about regionals, they're all bags of sh!t, just some more than others). I'm sure you feel beat up right now but you're not the first to travel this road and wont be the last. A hiring manager wants to see that you are determined to come back successful. Luckily for you, this industry is hurting for pilots, someone will give you a shot. I've seen people in much worse circumstances come back and achieve success.
Keep your head up bud and don't let your dreams be dreams, get your apps out to every 121 in the game right now, just DO IT!
Keep your head up bud and don't let your dreams be dreams, get your apps out to every 121 in the game right now, just DO IT!
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