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RockyMountain 12-12-2020 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by tallow (Post 3167880)
Keep thinking this. TSA had the same deal with Expressjet until United figured out the pilots hiring market was over and pulled the deal and TSA furloughed us all. There are thousands of pilots on the street right now that will jump at any job so the chances you will get any preferential deal as long as that exists are minimal. Good luck you're going to need it. Uncle Hulas will get his check and screw you in the end.

I believe the Lady is thinking that Skywest will need some pilots who actually fly the 550 in order to make the transfer seamless. Maybe they don't, I don't know what it takes to go from flying a 700 to flying a 550, is it 2 days of training, a week? IOE or just a couple of landings? You are probably right and she is probably wrong.

It was not United that figured out the pilot hiring problem was over but Hulas who went back and showed United that they could renegotiate the deal so that TSA pilots would not have to go to ExpressJet but Expressjet could get pilots at year one captain pay instead of 5th year captain pay and save money each year for 15 years.

Finessed 12-13-2020 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by RockyMountain (Post 3170092)
I believe the Lady is thinking that Skywest will need some pilots who actually fly the 550 in order to make the transfer seamless. Maybe they don't, I don't know what it takes to go from flying a 700 to flying a 550, is it 2 days of training, a week? IOE or just a couple of landings? You are probably right and she is probably wrong.

It was not United that figured out the pilot hiring problem was over but Hulas who went back and showed United that they could renegotiate the deal so that TSA pilots would not have to go to ExpressJet but Expressjet could get pilots at year one captain pay instead of 5th year captain pay and save money each year for 15 years.

Is the 550 even needed now? I thought the 550
was Unitedís way of skimming through scope contract without technically violating it.

I assume the scope isnít still being maxed out??

Also no IOE or landings for the 550, probably 1 day of ground and 1 simulator lesson. Itís nothing but a CRJ700 with 50 seats.

Hedley 12-14-2020 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3170409)
Is the 550 even needed now? I thought the 550
was Unitedís way of skimming through scope contract without technically violating it.

I assume the scope isnít still being maxed out??

Also no IOE or landings for the 550, probably 1 day of ground and 1 simulator lesson. Itís nothing but a CRJ700 with 50 seats.

United really likes the 175ís, but that sized plane is scoped out. To get more 175ís, they had to either park, or convert the 700ís since they donít want to add another NB fleet type. They know that the 145ís and 200ís are a poor product that generate the majority of the negative customer feedback. By converting the 700ís, United can replace those hulls with 70 seat 175ís, plus the resulting 50 seat product offers a dual class cabin that the premium customers wanted. From what I understand, UAX flying is currently maxed out due to the more restrictive rules that came with the LOA.

Finessed 12-14-2020 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3170670)
United really likes the 175ís, but that sized plane is scoped out. To get more 175ís, they had to either park, or convert the 700ís since they donít want to add another NB fleet type. They know that the 145ís and 200ís are a poor product that generate the majority of the negative customer feedback. By converting the 700ís, United can replace those hulls with 70 seat 175ís, plus the resulting 50 seat product offers a dual class cabin that the premium customers wanted. From what I understand, UAX flying is currently maxed out due to the more restrictive rules that came with the LOA.

Sounds good, makes sense to me. Scope is probably being negotiated as we speak, 2021 will be an interesting year to say the least.

Hedley 12-14-2020 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3170746)
Sounds good, makes sense to me. Scope is probably being negotiated as we speak, 2021 will be an interesting year to say the least.

I have a better chance of my wife giving me a hall pass than Kirby does of getting any type of scope relief. As the 145ís and 200ís get older and more unpopular with our customers, he can either replace that lift with a new NB fleet and a few more 175ís, or replace that flying with the current fleet and and no additional 175ís. Its up to him now. Should be interesting.

Lear90210 12-15-2020 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3167832)
So.......... were you turned down after an interview, or did you work for a regional that United cut their ties with? Iíve flown all over the world on every legacy airline we have, and based on my experience, United is just another big US airline. Itís no better or worse than American or Delta. Compared to riding on Emirates though, all of our airlines stink.


Agree to disagree. United (granted Iím flying for FREE) was the worst. Iíll say it was a close tie to last place with American.

not counting the ďseatbelts sold separately spiritĒ

I would not pay $20 to fly United. Delta was amazing, inflight entertainment, food, service. 12/10


The best airlines I zed on for international (top 3)

1. Qatar, worth the DOH layover. Amazing everything
2. Emirates
3. Turkish

climb150 12-16-2020 06:30 AM

Best International Airlines that don't treat their staff like crap,

Singapore Airlines, Eva Air, Japan Airlines/ANA, Lufthansa.

short list isn't it?

Hedley 12-16-2020 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3171344)
Best International Airlines that don't treat their staff like crap,

Singapore Airlines, Eva Air, Japan Airlines/ANA, Lufthansa.

short list isn't it?

Go work for any of those airlines and youíd be begging to put up with the working conditions and pay of American, Delta, Southwest, United, FedEx, or UPS.

climb150 12-16-2020 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3171366)
Go work for any of those airlines and youíd be begging to put up with the working conditions and pay of American, Delta, Southwest, United, FedEx, or UPS.

What are you on Hedley?

Those airlines I mentioned are well respected and treat their staff well. Pay at US Legacies may be higher but I am more talking of the experience of the passenger in flight. Emirates and Qatar have excellent service but treat staff poorly. My list have great service and treat their staff like humans.

The inflight service of American and United etc is appalling compared to other countries major airlines.

Hedley 12-16-2020 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3171555)
What are you on Hedley?

Those airlines I mentioned are well respected and treat their staff well. Pay at US Legacies may be higher but I am more talking of the experience of the passenger in flight. Emirates and Qatar have excellent service but treat staff poorly. My list have great service and treat their staff like humans.

The inflight service of American and United etc is appalling compared to other countries major airlines.

Youíre right, the inflight service on every one of those airlines blows any US carrier away. Thereís just no comparison. As far as being a pilot goes, Iíd take any of the US big 3 over any of those that you listed, as a passenger, Iíd buy a first class ticket on your list.


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