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Claxstarr 09-20-2021 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Regionalnewbie (Post 3297640)
Im going to muse that Brockenspectre is Gabriel Wall from OO and also from Australia.


That is oddly (and curiously) specific. [emoji848][emoji848]

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3289758)

Key is 10 seats or more in a jet or scheduled operation in all else

Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

tonsterboy5 09-20-2021 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297767)
Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

how am I wrong?
has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.

135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297783)
how am I wrong?
has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.

135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

You are wrong because there’s a comma after
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.

FlyGuy2021 09-20-2021 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297767)
Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

Or Part 91k.

tonsterboy5 09-20-2021 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297797)
You are wrong because there’s a comma after
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.

a, or, b, unless c. How the commas are used.

135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297801)
a, or, b, unless c. How the commas are used.

135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.

See the attached memo from FAA Legal.

TransWorld 09-20-2021 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297801)
How the commas are used.

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