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09-20-2021, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
Key is 10 seats or more in a jet or scheduled operation in all else
09-20-2021, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BRJPilot
Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.
“has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.
135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
09-20-2021, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
how am I wrong?
“has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.
135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
“has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.
135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.
09-20-2021, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BRJPilot
You are wrong because there’s a comma after
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.
135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.
09-20-2021, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
a, or, b, unless c. How the commas are used.
135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.
135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.
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