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ElCaribe 07-11-2021 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by GojetFires (Post 3260133)
Rumor out of the Willis Tower is that GoJet's 550s are going to Skywest in September or early October. Skywest wants the pilots too, date of hire seniority for pay but date of transfer for bidding, and a 2 year fence. After 2 years nobody will care. This will be a 30% pay increase for the GoJet pilots if it happens.

The rumor continued that Hulas wants more money and says if Skywest just makes newhires out of the pilots and no longeviety it is a better deal for SW and makes the deal more valuable, justifying the higher price. In addition to the GoJet planes, supposedly 50 "new" CRJs going to Skywest and 25 550 to Air Wisconsin.

I can't attest to the accuracy of the rumor but I did shell out $3.13 for a Starbuck's coffee on the corner of Wells and Madison for the information. He offered to show me actual paperwork but that would have cost me a coffee and 2 donuts over at the Dunkin Donuts at 110 W. Madison.

If it all gets signed then it will be a great deal for the GJ pilots. GJ is the best bet out there currently.

Skywest did that same longevity pay deal to attract pilots from other regionals. Fair deal instead of starting over at year 1 regional FO pay. Skywest also probably just wants the pilots for staffing. They have no need to purchase any other part of GoJet. Let Hulas run his third airline into the ground on its own and walk away with nothing from all three. He’s not in any position to negotiate. UA loves Skywest and they’ll be happy to let them take over organically during GoJets fall 2021 demise. Hulas did the same thing with the other two airlines. Declare bankruptcy and liquidate any remaining assets and call it a loss. He won’t have to worry about taxes for the next half decade.

GojetFires 07-12-2021 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3262235)
Skywest did that same longevity pay deal to attract pilots from other regionals. Fair deal instead of starting over at year 1 regional FO pay. Skywest also probably just wants the pilots for staffing. They have no need to purchase any other part of GoJet. Let Hulas run his third airline into the ground on its own and walk away with nothing from all three. He’s not in any position to negotiate. UA loves Skywest and they’ll be happy to let them take over organically during GoJets fall 2021 demise. Hulas did the same thing with the other two airlines. Declare bankruptcy and liquidate any remaining assets and call it a loss. He won’t have to worry about taxes for the next half decade.

Did Trans States Airlines and Compass file bankruptcy?

naturalaviator 07-13-2021 01:54 PM

Hey! I just started my aviation career and I found this website, so I figured I might be able to grab some insight into my potential new life! I'm just about to get all of my ratings and am looking into a few places to start my career up. I've heard that GoJet has direct entry captains and was wondering if y'all recommend it. Thanks!

SevereClear1 07-13-2021 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3262935)
Hey! I just started my aviation career and I found this website, so I figured I might be able to grab some insight into my potential new life! I'm just about to get all of my ratings and am looking into a few places to start my career up. I've heard that GoJet has direct entry captains and was wondering if y'all recommend it. Thanks!

Well yes GoJet has direct entry captains. But that is qualified direct entry captains. Prior 121 or similar required. You would need to reach out to the recruiters to get precise information.

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climb150 07-13-2021 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3262935)
Hey! I just started my aviation career and I found this website, so I figured I might be able to grab some insight into my potential new life! I'm just about to get all of my ratings and am looking into a few places to start my career up. I've heard that GoJet has direct entry captains and was wondering if y'all recommend it. Thanks!

Troll alert!

ElCaribe 07-13-2021 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by GojetFires (Post 3262632)
Did Trans States Airlines and Compass file bankruptcy?

Yes they did.

ERAUAV8R 07-13-2021 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3262935)
Hey! I just started my aviation career and I found this website, so I figured I might be able to grab some insight into my potential new life! I'm just about to get all of my ratings and am looking into a few places to start my career up. I've heard that GoJet has direct entry captains and was wondering if y'all recommend it. Thanks!


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3262935)
Hey! I just started my aviation career and I found this website, so I figured I might be able to grab some insight into my potential new life! I'm just about to get all of my ratings and am looking into a few places to start my career up. I've heard that GoJet has direct entry captains and was wondering if y'all recommend it. Thanks!

Gojet does have that specific program and it’s industry leading. They just came to my college and my buddy told me how it worked. Apparently if you have some time at another airline you can get paid more here. Which is nice because if you had say 10 years at another airline you’d be able to hit the 20 year pay mark in only 10. Plus industry leading in every other aspect.
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naturalaviator 07-13-2021 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by SevereClear1 (Post 3262942)
Well yes GoJet has direct entry captains. But that is qualified direct entry captains. Prior 121 or similar required. You would need to reach out to the recruiters to get precise information.

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Oh, that makes sense. I'm sorry I don't know much yet but I appreciate the info. I could probably fly the king air around or maybe the citation and hope that counts! I will do that thanks again for the info!

naturalaviator 07-13-2021 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3262993)
Gojet does have that specific program and it’s industry leading. They just came to my college and my buddy told me how it worked. Apparently if you have some time at another airline you can get paid more here. Which is nice because if you had say 10 years at another airline you’d be able to hit the 20 year pay mark in only 10. Plus industry leading in every other aspect.
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Oh damn, I did not know all that! I guess I'll have to keep doing some more research! Clear Skies and Tailwinds!

ERAUAV8R 07-13-2021 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3263023)
Oh, that makes sense. I'm sorry I don't know much yet but I appreciate the info. I could probably fly the king air around or maybe the citation and hope that counts! I will do that thanks again for the info!

You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

ninerdriver 07-13-2021 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3263045)
You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

This is complete BS, and it's about time someone banned you.

idlethrust 07-13-2021 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3263045)
You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

Now Dats funni rat dare!! 🤣😂🤣

naturalaviator 07-14-2021 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3263045)
You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

Wait, really? I know a couple of guys that rent out 172’s and take people up but I didn’t realize this was why??! That seems fishy but I’ll definitely look into if it turns out to be real.

idlethrust 07-14-2021 06:52 AM

[QUOTE=naturalaviator;3263242]Wait, really? I know a couple of guys that rent out 172’s and take people up but I didn’t realize this was why??! That seems fishy but I’ll definitely look into if it turns out to be real.[/QUOTE

You will be contacted by a Nigerian prince who needs help transferring his billions into the us . He is my friend . So give me half of the transfer fee, which is only 5k and once the transfer is complete you will receive 100 k for your troubles. Please do this ASAP Time is of the essence.

ElCaribe 07-14-2021 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3263045)
You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

Holding true to your username and once again cementing the riddle stereotype.

naturalaviator 07-14-2021 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3263045)
You can rent a 172 and as long as you have passengers in the backseat and are filed IFR they will count that as simulated part 121. People have done that and it worked for them.

Hey, just so you know I called our FISDO, and they said I definitely can’t do that. I don’t think you should be spreading bad info on a professional forum.

idlethrust 07-14-2021 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3263416)
Hey, just so you know I called our FISDO, and they said I definitely can’t do that. I don’t think you should be spreading bad info on a professional forum.

If you’re new to this profession, you’re in for a bumpy ride . You believe everything you read on a public forum ? This site is no more believable that crap you read on Facebook or something.
Look at the source and take it all with a grain of salt .
Im sure your guy at the Fisdo got a good laugh at your simulated 121 in a Cessna with pax on board question .He is probably still laughing.
There is no such thing as logging simulated 121 just FYI .
Take that logbook to an interview with that in it and they will rollover laughing as they escort you to the door .

DoSomePilotStuf 07-14-2021 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3263416)
Hey, just so you know I called our FISDO, and they said I definitely can’t do that. I don’t think you should be spreading bad info on a professional forum.


You’re killin me smalls

ElCaribe 07-14-2021 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by naturalaviator (Post 3263416)
Hey, just so you know I called our FISDO, and they said I definitely can’t do that. I don’t think you should be spreading bad info on a professional forum.

The trolled becomes the troll.

KirillTheThrill 07-14-2021 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3263730)
The trolled becomes the troll.

They probably receive ridiculous questions consistently, but I assure you, that one made it on the board.

Tankerds 07-15-2021 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3263437)
If you’re new to this profession, you’re in for a bumpy ride . You believe everything you read on a public forum ? This site is no more believable that crap you read on Facebook or something.
Look at the source and take it all with a grain of salt .
Im sure your guy at the Fisdo got a good laugh at your simulated 121 in a Cessna with pax on board question .He is probably still laughing.
There is no such thing as logging simulated 121 just FYI .
Take that logbook to an interview with that in it and they will rollover laughing as they escort you to the door .


I think he’s getting the laugh at you taking what he’s saying seriously. Can you not tell he’s joking? This is why they put hot warning labels on coffee


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MrIncredible 07-19-2021 06:15 PM

Looks like they have 40+ people for the July 26th class.

GojetFires 07-20-2021 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3266052)
Looks like they have 40+ people for the July 26th class.

That's great.

How many have they lost during the last month?

LadyJustice 07-20-2021 09:35 PM

Skywest lost 97 in June and hired 185.

At this rate Skywest will lose half their pilots in 27 months. That would mean upgrades would be about 1.5 to 1.8 years.

MrIncredible 07-21-2021 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by GojetFires (Post 3266630)
That's great.

How many have they lost during the last month?

Not sure. But gained almost 200 since April

LadyJustice 07-21-2021 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3266701)
Not sure. But gained almost 200 since April

How many current pilots?

MrIncredible 07-21-2021 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by LadyJustice (Post 3266878)
How many current pilots?

Almost 600 now

iceman21 07-21-2021 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3262235)
Skywest did that same longevity pay deal to attract pilots from other regionals. Fair deal instead of starting over at year 1 regional FO pay. Skywest also probably just wants the pilots for staffing. They have no need to purchase any other part of GoJet. Let Hulas run his third airline into the ground on its own and walk away with nothing from all three. He’s not in any position to negotiate. UA loves Skywest and they’ll be happy to let them take over organically during GoJets fall 2021 demise. Hulas did the same thing with the other two airlines. Declare bankruptcy and liquidate any remaining assets and call it a loss. He won’t have to worry about taxes for the next half decade.

Where did you hear this from? It's not that UA loves SkyWest. They're too big to get rid of, that's all. No one loves SkyWest except SkyWest themselves!

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amcnd 07-21-2021 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3266932)
Where did you hear this from? It's not that UA loves SkyWest. They're too big to get rid of, that's all. No one loves SkyWest except SkyWest themselves!

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They love the fact that OO is super flexible with them. Differed payments to OO during covid to help there cash position…OO loaned them 60 mill a few years back..ect…

KirillTheThrill 07-21-2021 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3266932)
Where did you hear this from? It's not that UA loves SkyWest. They're too big to get rid of, that's all. No one loves SkyWest except SkyWest themselves!

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“They’re too big to get rid of” 😂 😂 . That’s the best one I’ve heard yet!

ElCaribe 07-21-2021 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3266932)
Where did you hear this from? It's not that UA loves SkyWest. They're too big to get rid of, that's all. No one loves SkyWest except SkyWest themselves!

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Skywest is a reliable and stable known quantity. They also own all their own airplanes. UA loves them in sense of business purposes. The proof is in the pudding with the UAX fleet allocations and contracts.

groundlooper 07-21-2021 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3267150)
in sense of business purposes.

This is what it comes down to. If business purposes require/allow it, United will ditch Skywest. love has nothing to do with it

ElCaribe 07-21-2021 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by groundlooper (Post 3267155)
This is what it comes down to. If business purposes require/allow it, United will ditch Skywest

Yes, and well after they’re ditched GoJet, Air Wisc, CommutAir, Mesa, and then Republic.

groundlooper 07-21-2021 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3267156)
Yes, and well after they’re ditched GoJet, Air Wisc, CommutAir, Mesa, and then Republic.

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I don't disagree, but that's a function of scale rather than "love" for Skywest.

ElCaribe 07-21-2021 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by groundlooper (Post 3267161)
'
I don't disagree, but that's a function of scale rather than "love" for Skywest.

Yes, you are correct in that argument.

GojetFires 07-21-2021 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by groundlooper (Post 3267161)
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I don't disagree, but that's a function of scale rather than "love" for Skywest.

Bull****. UA, Delta, American, and Alaska all love Skywest which is why SW has 500 planes. They are ultra efficient, They have everything planned. They don't even wait for tires to wear out, they replace them when the computer tells them it is time to replace so they will be ready and service won't be interrupted.

They pay their pilots well and incentivize so the pilots won't want a union. No airline has to worry if SW will come through.

gojo 07-22-2021 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3267150)
Skywest is a reliable and stable known quantity. They also own all their own airplanes. UA loves them in sense of business purposes. The proof is in the pudding with the UAX fleet allocations and contracts.

Nut entirely true. Skywest operates several Delta owned airplanes. Maybe you’re referring to the United planes?

itsmytime 07-22-2021 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by GojetFires (Post 3267188)
Bull****. UA, Delta, American, and Alaska all love Skywest which is why SW has 500 planes. They are ultra efficient, They have everything planned. They don't even wait for tires to wear out, they replace them when the computer tells them it is time to replace so they will be ready and service won't be interrupted.

They pay their pilots well and incentivize so the pilots won't want a union. No airline has to worry if SW will come through.

truth. I used to be anti Skywest, but they have made a believer out of me in recent years. Republic guys claim that Republic is like a major. Skywest is the only regional with “major” status. If there is only one regional left, it will be Skywest.

ElCaribe 07-22-2021 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 3267232)
Nut entirely true. Skywest operates several Delta owned airplanes. Maybe you’re referring to the United planes?

I’m referring to all their airplanes as mentioned above: UA/DL/AA/AS. It’s not an accident they all use significantly Skywest.

ElCaribe 07-22-2021 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3267324)
truth. I used to be anti Skywest, but they have made a believer out of me in recent years. Republic guys claim that Republic is like a major. Skywest is the only regional with “major” status. If there is only one regional left, it will be Skywest.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Skywest is a major. As far as regionals go they’re the best run which is why they have recurring business. For the record I am not nor have ever been a Skywest pilot.


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