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#181
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 90
Last time Im gonna say this. I have no motive, not trying to "save my own skin" whatever that means, and I never said it was "like that everywhere". Just trying to put some actual facts on here for people considering where to go. I would consider base, commute, whether I needed at least some left seat time vs. going somewhere to sit all right seat, pay, soft pay, Aviate, etc etc etc when choosing a regional. There are a lot of good choices out there. Here is another actual fact: Im a lineholding CA, have not flown right seat for over 3 years since I was last on reserve. My right seat flying I've done here as a CA has been minimal. I agree with you on doing your homework, considering everything when choosing where to work. You can say what you want, I dont put opinions on here. Anyway you can have the last word, I'm done. Anyone needs info PM me.
I saw GoJet do horrible things to people who worked hard for them, just to steal a dollar. People have a right to know what they do. Union rep a problem, they have no problem firing them. VP of ops, no problem firing him if he is inconvenient.
Every day that goes by Gojet has a chance to announce they have reformed. They have a chance to apologize to those they have mistreated. If they don't take the chance, why should they be given a chance?
#182
Everyone on here has a motive. Your motive is to recruit pilots, maybe because you like it there or maybe you want to help Gojet. Pilot's psychological profile is to try and fix problems, even if the problem belongs to someone else. Pilots are optimistic, want to be a hero and save the day. You attack the motivation of people who are trying to warn people about working for Hulas. Chances are that if GoJet stays in business you will join us and we will welcome you and feel bad that you were attacked and forced to join our side.
I saw GoJet do horrible things to people who worked hard for them, just to steal a dollar. People have a right to know what they do. Union rep a problem, they have no problem firing them. VP of ops, no problem firing him if he is inconvenient.
Every day that goes by Gojet has a chance to announce they have reformed. They have a chance to apologize to those they have mistreated. If they don't take the chance, why should they be given a chance?
I saw GoJet do horrible things to people who worked hard for them, just to steal a dollar. People have a right to know what they do. Union rep a problem, they have no problem firing them. VP of ops, no problem firing him if he is inconvenient.
Every day that goes by Gojet has a chance to announce they have reformed. They have a chance to apologize to those they have mistreated. If they don't take the chance, why should they be given a chance?
all regionals are not the same. Choose wisely. CommutAir and GoJets should be last on your list. As the shortage worsens they’ll be the next to follow lakes, compass and Trans States.
The focus should be for a WO, Endeavor, Envoy, PSA and PDT. As the shortage worsens and the contractor cancellations worsen they’ll eventually lose the flying. They can only raise pay so much before going bankrupt. WO’s are run as cost centers and they’ll just increase flow and pay to keep beef in the seats. Contract companies will downsize, captains will downgrade, and then they’ll close. The remaining pilot that didn’t read the handwriting and hung on will be forced to recycle themselves as new hires.
LCC’s are starting to pluck college graduates, so they’ll never see regionals. Embry Riddle straight to A320 with Frontier is happening.
Get out of the regionals while you can, or go to a WO.... and still keep trying to get out. All the BS you’ve been fed about it being the same job, same level of safety, and is just different pay is all lies.
#184
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 12
Last time Im gonna say this. I have no motive, not trying to "save my own skin" whatever that means, and I never said it was "like that everywhere". Just trying to put some actual facts on here for people considering where to go. I would consider base, commute, whether I needed at least some left seat time vs. going somewhere to sit all right seat, pay, soft pay, Aviate, etc etc etc when choosing a regional. There are a lot of good choices out there. Here is another actual fact: Im a lineholding CA, have not flown right seat for over 3 years since I was last on reserve. My right seat flying I've done here as a CA has been minimal. I agree with you on doing your homework, considering everything when choosing where to work. You can say what you want, I dont put opinions on here. Anyway you can have the last word, I'm done. Anyone needs info PM me.
It is well known the G7 constantly violates the CBA with the Pilots. Recently, they cancelled vacations in July and told the pilot group that it would be paid out...without any pilot mutually agreeing to do that and never offering to allow those pilots who were effected to reschedule their vacation. In other words... we do not care about your vacation. Oh, and you better make sure that you babysit the company and make sure they pay you for your vacation...like with everything else.
As far as YOUR facts... just because you have not flown in the right seat in three years means nothing. There is one fact, there are allot of mid level carriers who will if not already hire pilots with NO PIC turbine time. So, again, pushing the whole street captain issues means nothing. If you have a clean record you can basically go where you want and that will continue to be the case as demand increases and there is more and more need for pilots.
People forget, allot of older guys took early retirement during covid, so the situation has become exasperated and will continue to do so... unless something else happens.
Those who choose to pick up open time at a premium are only screwing themselves and other pilots. Helping the company is NOT going to get you anywhere. That is a fact. I for one refuse to blow smoke up anyone's a..
Let the boat sink. If nothing else, it will put an end to the below industry standard practices that G7 has.
#185
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 90
What are the statistics? How many are actually in the classes each month? How many people are resigning each month?
How many pilots currently? How many planes? How often are new planes coming?
I don't buy the WOed argument. WOed pilots give up their lives, their rights, their voices for the promise of an interview someday. Ransom/Pan Am Express pilots flow was good until the company was sold. How about Compass, until sold to Hulas. Every time an airline takes a WOed pilot they have to train 2 people, one for their airline and one at the WOed. A few make it over but most don't.
SkyWest, not going anywhere. They are super efficient. They plan everything. They treat people as human beings. They pay well.
GoJet, July, August, September, and part of October? I don't see a GoJet after that.
How many pilots currently? How many planes? How often are new planes coming?
I don't buy the WOed argument. WOed pilots give up their lives, their rights, their voices for the promise of an interview someday. Ransom/Pan Am Express pilots flow was good until the company was sold. How about Compass, until sold to Hulas. Every time an airline takes a WOed pilot they have to train 2 people, one for their airline and one at the WOed. A few make it over but most don't.
SkyWest, not going anywhere. They are super efficient. They plan everything. They treat people as human beings. They pay well.
GoJet, July, August, September, and part of October? I don't see a GoJet after that.
#187
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: BE-1900 Captain
Posts: 66
I would beg to differ. You have every motivation to save your own skin. Not recruiting pilots means your not doing your job. Not doing your job means you go back to the line and your no longer considered MGT...If you can go to sleep each night knowing that your are acting in bad faith in selling a lemon go right ahead...your basically acting like used car salesman. Like I said, the presentation is great... but the insides, the part that matters is crap...
It is well known the G7 constantly violates the CBA with the Pilots. Recently, they cancelled vacations in July and told the pilot group that it would be paid out...without any pilot mutually agreeing to do that and never offering to allow those pilots who were effected to reschedule their vacation. In other words... we do not care about your vacation. Oh, and you better make sure that you babysit the company and make sure they pay you for your vacation...like with everything else.
As far as YOUR facts... just because you have not flown in the right seat in three years means nothing. There is one fact, there are allot of mid level carriers who will if not already hire pilots with NO PIC turbine time. So, again, pushing the whole street captain issues means nothing. If you have a clean record you can basically go where you want and that will continue to be the case as demand increases and there is more and more need for pilots.
People forget, allot of older guys took early retirement during covid, so the situation has become exasperated and will continue to do so... unless something else happens.
Those who choose to pick up open time at a premium are only screwing themselves and other pilots. Helping the company is NOT going to get you anywhere. That is a fact. I for one refuse to blow smoke up anyone's a..
Let the boat sink. If nothing else, it will put an end to the below industry standard practices that G7 has.
It is well known the G7 constantly violates the CBA with the Pilots. Recently, they cancelled vacations in July and told the pilot group that it would be paid out...without any pilot mutually agreeing to do that and never offering to allow those pilots who were effected to reschedule their vacation. In other words... we do not care about your vacation. Oh, and you better make sure that you babysit the company and make sure they pay you for your vacation...like with everything else.
As far as YOUR facts... just because you have not flown in the right seat in three years means nothing. There is one fact, there are allot of mid level carriers who will if not already hire pilots with NO PIC turbine time. So, again, pushing the whole street captain issues means nothing. If you have a clean record you can basically go where you want and that will continue to be the case as demand increases and there is more and more need for pilots.
People forget, allot of older guys took early retirement during covid, so the situation has become exasperated and will continue to do so... unless something else happens.
Those who choose to pick up open time at a premium are only screwing themselves and other pilots. Helping the company is NOT going to get you anywhere. That is a fact. I for one refuse to blow smoke up anyone's a..
Let the boat sink. If nothing else, it will put an end to the below industry standard practices that G7 has.
#188
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: BE-1900 Captain
Posts: 66
And if you choose to pick up open time on your days off for 150% above guarantee you are helping yourself, not the company. Possibly both. But it's nice crediting 120 hours a month. You get more money. It's called a "choice".
#189
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
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