Longevity Pay Match
 

GoJet is now offering captains with experience longevity pay match. For every two years at your previous carrier you’ll get a years worth at GoJet. So let’s says you were at CommutAir for 10 years and you come to GoJet. They’ll start your pay a year 5.

Does someone with three years start out on year one pay?

You’d start out at year 2 pay

Gojet’s longevity program is deceptive. You start at the let’s say 4th year pay, bu then you stay there until entering your 5th year.

"Longevity" in name only compared to other regionals. Instead of 1 for 2 there is 1 for 1, so if you have 4 years at brand X you start at 4 and then go to 5, then 6 etc. At GJ the 4 year guy starts at year 4, second year, third and 4th you stay at 4. At least that is how it was.

It will get better as soon as they can't get anyone to come to class, which will be soon I believe. In fact, in 2 months everyone will be competing again for pilots!

That’s the most GoJet thing I’ve ever heard.

Not sure if your example is just trying to be funny but almost nobody at CommutAir has been there for 10 years and surely zero of them are going to consider going to GoJet.

Actually you’d be surprised

Ok what if, and just hear me out, you stay at commuteAir and keep your 10 year pay. And your CPP program at United

There is a difference between being at CommutAir for 10 years and not getting through training. Good luck with the wash outs.

What would I be surprised by?

When they bring the large bonus back, which they will soon have to do, the deal will sound better, 4th year pay plus a 56k bonus say. Little do they know the 4th year is where they stay for the next 4 years and good luck ever getting the bonus actually paid.

We have CommutAir guys in the new hire classes

What’s a bigger risk over the next 5-10 years, working for a regional that only operates single class 50 seaters or flying the 550 for GoJet? Not being sarcastic..... serious question.

Gojet is by far the bigger risk. They have unpaid bills, they don't honor their contracts, they have the lousy reputation they earned, they and not going to be able to get pilots by the end of june without a huge bonus and their pilots are without a contract.

Mesa has long been considered a dumpster fire, but they get pilots and they will be flying 175’s for United for years to come. Before XJet shut down, many of them would say the same thing about CommutAir, and now many of them are applying to work there. Considering that the single class 50 seaters are nearing the end of the road, wouldn’t going to a company like Air Wisconsin or CommutAir and hoping that they magic up some 175’s be an equal or even greater risk than going to a company, good or bad, flying aircraft that the parent company intends to keep around?

If it is a good company, the type of plane does not matter. Hulas owns GoJet, I don't think his methods will survive a transaction.

ExpressJet was a good company and they’re gone. I’m not suggesting that GoJet is a good company to work for or that they will survive. I’m just saying that since scope is maxed out and all of the available 70/76 seat aircraft are already flying with other companies, working for Air Wisconsin or CommutAir is potentially an equal risk. Most of the 175’s are owned by the three regionals currently flying them and United doesn’t actually own enough of them to spread them around to those companies that don’t. As the 50 seaters are eventually phased out, there won’t be enough UAX aircraft to keep all of the current companies flying for United.

United owns a sizable portion of the 175s under express. Enough for commutair if it goes that way.

That still doesn’t change the risk of working there vs somewhere already flying the 175’s. Depending on how long they are contracted out to the companies currently flying them, United could decide to move the pieces around, or they could leave them where they are. United is going to do what is best for the bottom line at United, how it affects employees at any company is not important (to them). If moving assets to another company will make more money they will do so. If leaving them where they are and allowing other companies to shut down as their existing fleets are retired makes more money, they’ll do that. Hoping United transfers 175’s to your company when your current fleet is nearing the end of the road is a high risk position to be in. Since there are no more 70/76 seaters available, as the single class aircraft eventually go away, the crews for those 200+ aircraft are definitely at significant risk.

Let me ask these questions:

1. The longevity program, is that anywhere in the CBA (Contract) or in an LOA (if so which LOA), or does Gojet pay people outside of the contract?

2. If a pilot came to GJ with 6 years of experience before the Longevity program began, did he get a bump up or might the new hires be higher on the scale than he is?

3. Gojet's longevity program was giving a 1 to 1 match but is now 1 for 2, what happened to the pay of guys who came over before it was lowered?

Their website still says 1:1

It was 1 for 2, perhaps they improved it after their misleading program was exposed or after people walked away.. You would also stay at that entry level until your actual longevity caught up with that. TSH's obsession with taking dollars from employees has been costing them millions since 2016. Treat the employees correctly and it will be a good airline.