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Difference between Trans States and GoJet
Thinking of going to one of these two. Considering the normal things pilots are concerned about.....Upgrade time/ Days off/ Insurance/ Overall QOL....
Does one stand out (in a good way) from the other? |
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Use the search function and read the current threads on both. May be a little time consuming, but its very good research. Keep this in mind though, you'll have to slalom through childish remarks, insults and immature remarks in order to get the info you need, but you'll get it, the info is there... |
I believe both of their CBA's are online. Read through them both. Then decide.
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Originally Posted by fandango
(Post 1364663)
Thinking of going to one of these two. Considering the normal things pilots are concerned about.....Upgrade time/ Days off/ Insurance/ Overall QOL....
Does one stand out (in a good way) from the other? |
Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
(Post 1364675)
I believe both of their CBA's are online. Read through them both. Then decide.
What's CBA? |
Originally Posted by SongMan
(Post 1364712)
What's CBA?
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Originally Posted by SongMan
(Post 1364712)
What's CBA?
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OP: I suggest the search function. There's one surviving GoJet thread around and a few about Trans States, I'd start there.
Cliff Notes: GoJet: Fast upgrade, if you have the time. Heard there's no cancellation pay?... Not really sure what else is missing from the contract.. Trans States: New planes coming, potential fast upgrade. I've heard reserve isn't that great. Everyone else: Come on, keep the thread on track. Infractions will be next. |
Originally Posted by SongMan
(Post 1364712)
What's CBA?
a defunct professional men's basketball minor league in the United States |
I would comment but I recieved an infraction point already today.
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Thanks OP! I just got an infraction as well! I thought my definition of cba was more pertinent to your decision than the real definition! Oh well
Personally I wouldn't goto either one. Good guys at trans state but their management is a piece of work. Upgrade will be fast almost everywhere pretty soon. One year upgrade at GoJet is tempting but is it worth it? Your choice. |
Slats, you can still comment tho can't you? (Honest question...)
Just skip the name calling part and I'm sure the OP will benefit from your contribution... As far as GoJet, there is no cancellation pay, no min day/duty rig, you can bid through all domiciles every month if you want, no locks really, but I don't think there's any extra cash (per diem) that goes with base change, etc. Fast upgrade if you got the time, overall bad CBA in my opinion. They are in contract negotiations tho, so things may improve eventually. Reserves are 10 days off minimum, lineholders are 11. As far as TSA, their new aircraft deliveries are their biggest "asset" in regards of moving up the seniority list fairly quick. Not too familiar with their contract... |
If you wanna be based in STL (:shudder:) or IAD head to TSA but please, for the love of God, don't commute to reserve.
Crap damn near killed me. No thanks Jeff. |
Couldnt agree more, do not commute on rsv!!! Single or married, doesnt matter. Dont commute on reserve.
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ok...
Wow...that escalated quickly....
Ok. I do appreciate most of the information.... I have done many, many searches here and have found many of the posts (most) filled with partial information, generic bit@h session or from people pretending to be current employees, but aren't...that type of thing. I have read the cba's, but have worked in the past for companies that assign stuff clearly against the CBA and say 'do it and grieve it'....so the printed word means much less than it should.... My crystal ball is just as broke as y'alls....so, I was really trying to balance quick (or possible street) upgrade vs. deliveries vs. viability and survivability of the sub service they both provide vs. relative seniority of each....etc..... I have been offered interview at TSA but passed at the time....have heard that I should be getting interview soon with GoJ....so, I am just trying to figure out if I want to pursue one, both or none.... I really do appreciate the sincere replies....and enjoy reading the insincere ones.... Thanks. F |
One year upgrade at GoJet is tempting but is it worth it? Your choice. |
I understand that once you contact Trans State or GoJet the other won't look at you. Gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's candidates.
Anyone else hear this ? |
GHGJ'ERS
(Guys Highfive GoJet'ers) Maybe Vagabond won't give me another infraction now that I've clarified my abbreviation. |
Originally Posted by B317
(Post 1364841)
I understand that once you contact Trans State or GoJet the other won't look at you. Gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's candidates.
Anyone else hear this ? |
Originally Posted by B317
(Post 1364841)
I understand that once you contact Trans State or GoJet the other won't look at you. Gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's candidates.
Anyone else hear this ? Actually, once you associate yourself with gojet, no one will look at you at all. |
Weak...
And not accurate. |
Here's something to think about when it comes to TSH...
My current company sends emails in the unfortunate event that someone passes away/house burns down/hurricane damage/just to say they love you etc. When has TSH done that? Another thing to note....only apply if you want to be based in STL, ORD, IAD, RDU (I think, don't really care) or wherever they're sticking then displacing people. The guys at TSA (my homies) are cool as hell...they've been through a lot together. Don't know much about ex friends at G7 but they seem to not post on FB a lot. Whatever that means. If you live in RDU or STL and want to be home TSH looks like a good shot. If you live in IAD or ORD think about the QOL and company culture before signing up. Ramble over. |
TSA vs. G7 ... Different plane, different POI, different training programs. GoJet uses FlightSafety for all their systems, and sim training, TSA does in-house ground training, and FSI for sim, shall I keep going? As for QOL ... I'm not touching that one ...
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Originally Posted by B317
(Post 1364841)
I understand that once you contact Trans State or GoJet the other won't look at you. Gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's candidates.
Anyone else hear this ? |
How about GoJets jump-seat reciprocity? I've seen my fair share of GoJet pilots left at the gate while a half full plane pushes back. Is it that they don't have reciprocity, or they just seemingly get denied boarding a lot?
***Note: all the cases I witnessed involved other regional carriers. |
Originally Posted by AxialFlow
(Post 1365227)
How about GoJets jump-seat reciprocity? I've seen my fair share of GoJet pilots left at the gate while a half full plane pushes back. Is it that they don't have reciprocity, or they just seemingly get denied boarding a lot?
***Note: all the cases I witnessed involved other regional carriers. |
Originally Posted by EatMyPropwash
(Post 1365215)
TSA vs. G7 ... Different plane, different POI, different training programs. GoJet uses FlightSafety for all their systems, and sim training, TSA does in-house ground training, and FSI for sim, shall I keep going? As for QOL ... I'm not touching that one ...
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The truth, summary, history, explanation etc. about GoJet.
As a former pilot for Trans States Airlines (the same people who run GoJet, did you know?) here is how GoJet came about... The rumor mill started, and then was confirmed that Trans States Airlines was going to get a 70 seater for United. Negotiations started on the pay scale and everybody got excited for the opportunity to move up, upgrade etc. Everybody who got the CRJ700 was expecting a nice raise in the neighborhood of $5-$10 an hour, especially the 20 year ish guys. The usual back and forth went on for a while and then there was an apparent stall coming from up top... Maybe the company was reconsidering the new type??? Then word leaked from the FSDO that there was suddenly a new certificate for a company called GoJet that was going to be run by the same people at Trans States... trouble. The whip saw. The old one-two. The whipsaw: A company has a pilot seniority list that goes from 20 year captains down to new hires. The most senior guys make a lot more money (obviously). So when a new type comes onto the property with 40% more seats (pilots say 40% more revenue) the company can expect to pay their well-established ALPA represented pilot group more money. So, instead of taking care of the professionals who have been dodging Midwest thunderstorms, dealing with 9/11 cuts, and maintaining one of the only profitable bottom lines in the industry at the time, they start a "new" airline run by the same people with every pilot on year 1 pay. Saves a lot of money. So in the ALPA represented pilot group there began to be a lot of turmoil. People saw the valuable opportunity to jump right into the left seat and get PIC time, CA pay, and a more modern aircraft. People feigned solidarity and then the floodgates opened and it was a race to see who could get the lowest employee number at GoJet. Needless to say there was a lot of hate, anger, etc. that came from the situation. Then came all of the fbombs in the terminal, the refused jumpseats, covered radio calls etc. TL;DR So here is the answer... Trans States Holdings runs their airlines like WalMart. They do everything as cheap as they can. They give you photocopied manuals (how's that internship treating you?), they use remaindered furniture from all of the floors they don't use in the old TWA building they inhabit, and use old, unheated hangars from the Boeing production line at Lambert field. They are smart about how they do business. The company was/is headed by an intelligent accountant who turned it from a losing company into a Billion-dollar piggy bank (Hulas' piggy bank, not the airlines'). An accountant will take everything they can from you and give you as little as possible. It is good business, especially with the captive employees that all pilots groups are. If you go there, know what you are getting into. If somebody interviewing you for a future job after GoJets has a chip on their shoulder from the whole Trans States Airlines experience you will probably not get the job. Realistically at the majors they could give a sh!t about regional squabbles. That said, the Midwest/East are great places to learn how to deal with crazy weather, ATC delays, etc. I think if you go to GoJet you will learn how to fly in the airline environment and make good decisions. You will be mentored well by your captains. Your pilot group will have a high degree of camaraderie and you will have a fairly quick upgrade. Your training will be bare-bones, your pay will be among the lowest out there, and you will be greatly on your own to get through training. The company will spend as little as they can on you in every aspect of your employment. period. It might work out, and it might not. Kind of like going to a very cheap college and competing with all of the other grads when you want to move on, but if everybody needs pilots like they say... all that will matter is that you are qualified and well experienced with PIC time. X-posted from a previous GoJet thread, originally authored by... me. |
Sounds like a pretty accurate synopsis of events regarding Gojet's birth. At least from the research Ive done. It sounds like TSA's union made a huge gamble by rejecting the company's new pay scale for those 70 seaters before the company went the "new certificate" route, specially knowing that they didn't have any protection whatsoever on scope and anti-whipsawing language on their current contract.
Honest question here: when the new certificate was created, did they hire all their pilots off the street for the new company or was it current TSA pilots that decided to leave TSA and head down to GoJet? |
Originally Posted by soon2bfo
(Post 1366221)
The truth, summary, history, explanation etc. about GoJet.
As a former pilot for Trans States Airlines (the same people who run GoJet, did you know?) here is how GoJet came about... The rumor mill started, and then was confirmed that Trans States Airlines was going to get a 70 seater for United. Negotiations started on the pay scale and everybody got excited for the opportunity to move up, upgrade etc. Everybody who got the CRJ700 was expecting a nice raise in the neighborhood of $5-$10 an hour, especially the 20 year ish guys. The usual back and forth went on for a while and then there was an apparent stall coming from up top... Maybe the company was reconsidering the new type??? Then word leaked from the FSDO that there was suddenly a new certificate for a company called GoJet that was going to be run by the same people at Trans States... trouble. The whip saw. The old one-two. The whipsaw: A company has a pilot seniority list that goes from 20 year captains down to new hires. The most senior guys make a lot more money (obviously). So when a new type comes onto the property with 40% more seats (pilots say 40% more revenue) the company can expect to pay their well-established ALPA represented pilot group more money. So, instead of taking care of the professionals who have been dodging Midwest thunderstorms, dealing with 9/11 cuts, and maintaining one of the only profitable bottom lines in the industry at the time, they start a "new" airline run by the same people with every pilot on year 1 pay. Saves a lot of money. So in the ALPA represented pilot group there began to be a lot of turmoil. People saw the valuable opportunity to jump right into the left seat and get PIC time, CA pay, and a more modern aircraft. People feigned solidarity and then the floodgates opened and it was a race to see who could get the lowest employee number at GoJet. Needless to say there was a lot of hate, anger, etc. that came from the situation. Then came all of the fbombs in the terminal, the refused jumpseats, covered radio calls etc. TL;DR So here is the answer... Trans States Holdings runs their airlines like WalMart. They do everything as cheap as they can. They give you photocopied manuals (how's that internship treating you?), they use remaindered furniture from all of the floors they don't use in the old TWA building they inhabit, and use old, unheated hangars from the Boeing production line at Lambert field. They are smart about how they do business. The company was/is headed by an intelligent accountant who turned it from a losing company into a Billion-dollar piggy bank (Hulas' piggy bank, not the airlines'). An accountant will take everything they can from you and give you as little as possible. It is good business, especially with the captive employees that all pilots groups are. If you go there, know what you are getting into. If somebody interviewing you for a future job after GoJets has a chip on their shoulder from the whole Trans States Airlines experience you will probably not get the job. Realistically at the majors they could give a sh!t about regional squabbles. That said, the Midwest/East are great places to learn how to deal with crazy weather, ATC delays, etc. I think if you go to GoJet you will learn how to fly in the airline environment and make good decisions. You will be mentored well by your captains. Your pilot group will have a high degree of camaraderie and you will have a fairly quick upgrade. Your training will be bare-bones, your pay will be among the lowest out there, and you will be greatly on your own to get through training. The company will spend as little as they can on you in every aspect of your employment. period. It might work out, and it might not. Kind of like going to a very cheap college and competing with all of the other grads when you want to move on, but if everybody needs pilots like they say... all that will matter is that you are qualified and well experienced with PIC time. X-posted from a previous GoJet thread, originally authored by... me. |
Gojet certificate had nothing to do with TSA but was necessary due to the American scope clause at the time (same reason 170s couldn't go to Chautauqua). TSA management and ALPA could not come to agreement on pay rates for 70 seaters so Hulas decided to go a different route which created the TSA/Gojet trainwreck. Many of the original hires at GJ were TSA guys that jumped over, which helped create the acrimony between the groups and the crap storm that resulted. When TSA was furloughing, the only way furloughs could go to GJ was as a new hire. Now there is a new contract in place at TSA with provisions for going to Gojet, TSA getting new planes and people are upgrading and things seem to be better, but you never know.
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If you live in IAD or ORD think about the QOL and company culture before signing up. |
Originally Posted by portfo
(Post 1366388)
Doesn't TSA have a IAD base? Wouldn't that improve QOL if you live there? :confused:
TSH is still a terrible place to work. |
Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
(Post 1364735)
According to wikipedia...
a defunct professional men's basketball minor league in the United States |
Does anyone know where the Trans States CBA can be viewed online?
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Does anyone know if GoJet types new hires?
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I was just at the job fair in ATL. Basically, every regional airlines will "type" you as a PIC during the training now.
If you don't have your ATP, they will add that on too. |
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