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Cruz5350 01-02-2014 01:53 PM

Ya cause you were born knowing the in's and out's outta every airport you operate into from day 1....

carolinaflyer 01-02-2014 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1551154)
Just had to bump this......

In DTW earlier, GoJet was trying to get to the 22L deice pad, so they felt the need to make the right turn into 2N right into the ramp....as we were trying to taxi out. Good thing there was just enough room to have them turn in, and go right back out.

We contact ground, and ground tells us to follow them to the deice pad. I reply back with "We'll follow them, hopefully they know where they are going." Well sure as crap, they go right by the deice pad and continue to taxi. Ground yells at them to stop immediately.

Nothing like a comical fun this morning.

I'm glad it comes sooo naturally to you bud, but DTW is not the easiest place to taxi around, especially if you're not there on a very regular basis. The actual operation looks significantly different than the Jepp diagram and lots of crews can experience a missed turn or temporary disorientation. I've seen more than one Delta main liner do the Exact same thing.

Were you born with inertial navigation in your brain making you superior to all??? Glad to see you find comedy in guys doing the best they can.

DryMotorBoatin 01-02-2014 05:09 PM

Why is this thread still open?

Flitestar 01-02-2014 05:48 PM

Way too many high-horsed, juvenile riders in this playground.

+1, close this one up.

Reservist 01-02-2014 07:44 PM

There would defiantly be more than a few failed CRJ Orals in this thread.

The only time single engine your going to have a fuel imbalance problem, is if auto x flow is inhibited or mel'd, while running single engine.

In which case single engine taxi will lead to a rapid imbalance, counter-intuitively dumping the excess fuel into the operating engines side (someone actually said it correctly than got called out as being incorrect).

The most likely scenario to get to an extreme imbalance, is to inhibit fuel cross flow on your before take off checklist (2engines), and then subsequently have your clearance cancelled go into a ground stop and go back to single engine forgetting to reselect auto x flow. It will happen fast and become quickly imbalanced.

Same thing can happen with the Mel if you don't heed the warning and decide to taxi out single engine with auto x flow disabled/mel'd, a rapid imbalance.

Other than that the auto cross flow works pretty well as long as its on.

Captain Tony 01-03-2014 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1551163)
Ya cause you were born knowing the in's and out's outta every airport you operate into from day 1....


Originally Posted by carolinaflyer (Post 1551230)

Were you born with inertial navigation in your brain making you superior to all??? Glad to see you find comedy in guys doing the best they can.

I love when people defend the indefensible. I guess GoJetZ doesn't issue Jepps and require pilots to reference the airport diagram while taxiing? Why bother reviewing your taxi route before pushing back? Guess it's all just done on "familiarity" over there. Quality. But hey, all DAL cares about is the cheapest feed available.

I had a GoJets jumpseater last night and she showed me her schedule. Can someone explain to me how the block for the month can be higher than the credit? She said they constantly fight payroll for trying to screw them, have to pay claim all day sits, fight over perdiem, etc. How embarrassing.

wmupilot85 01-03-2014 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by carolinaflyer (Post 1551230)
I'm glad it comes sooo naturally to you bud, but DTW is not the easiest place to taxi around, especially if you're not there on a very regular basis. The actual operation looks significantly different than the Jepp diagram and lots of crews can experience a missed turn or temporary disorientation. I've seen more than one Delta main liner do the Exact same thing.

Were you born with inertial navigation in your brain making you superior to all??? Glad to see you find comedy in guys doing the best they can.


I only see ORD about 3-4 times a year, and guess what? I've never once had an issue there finding a taxi way or where I'm suppose to go, even in a crap storm.

I can understand missing 1 turn, but turning onto the WRONG taxi way that is AWAY from the deicing equipment, then blocking operations, then finally figuring out where you're suppose to go and then going RIGHT past that spot is beyond excusable.

And hey, when someone crashes a plane because they weren't sure what they were doing and kills 69 people, I guess you can just chalk it up to "they were just doing the best they can."

BIGRIG 01-03-2014 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Reservist (Post 1551346)
There would defiantly be more than a few failed CRJ Orals in this thread.

The only time single engine your going to have a fuel imbalance problem, is if auto x flow is inhibited or mel'd, while running single engine.

In which case single engine taxi will lead to a rapid imbalance, counter-intuitively dumping the excess fuel into the operating engines side (someone actually said it correctly than got called out as being incorrect).

The most likely scenario to get to an extreme imbalance, is to inhibit fuel cross flow on your before take off checklist (2engines), and then subsequently have your clearance cancelled go into a ground stop and go back to single engine forgetting to reselect auto x flow. It will happen fast and become quickly imbalanced.

Same thing can happen with the Mel if you don't heed the warning and decide to taxi out single engine with auto x flow disabled/mel'd, a rapid imbalance.

Other than that the auto cross flow works pretty well as long as its on.

I've seen it with my own eyes. Auto cross flow doesn't transfer enough fuel if you are taxiing single engine for extended periods of time.

Captain Tony 01-03-2014 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by BIGRIG (Post 1551452)
I've seen it with my own eyes. Auto cross flow doesn't transfer enough fuel if you are taxiing single engine for extended periods of time.

Stop making sense! The GoJetZ Street CA with a whopping 3 years of airline experience KNOWS his systems cold! Auto X-Flow ALWAYS works exactly as advertised! Bombardier's engineers are just stupid... they are French after all... ;)

CarolinaAngler 01-03-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by carolinaflyer (Post 1551230)
I'm glad it comes sooo naturally to you bud, but DTW is not the easiest place to taxi around, especially if you're not there on a very regular basis. The actual operation looks significantly different than the Jepp diagram and lots of crews can experience a missed turn or temporary disorientation. I've seen more than one Delta main liner do the Exact same thing.

Were you born with inertial navigation in your brain making you superior to all??? Glad to see you find comedy in guys doing the best they can.

Come on, DTW isn't bad at all. And the airport looks exactly the right way on the charts. At least ours do. I can't tell you how many times we've been 5 or 6 for takeoff and tower is screaming at GoJet to get their attention only to find out they weren't on any DTW frequency for the previous 10 minutes. I've been in DTW for 7 years and haven't seen anyone have as much trouble as GoJet, although I did witness a 777 almost cruise right over 22L on 9L while trying to get to the gate; figure that one out. Too many breadsticks...

Its not a generalization if its true. Just like our MEC made it near impossible for anyone else to negotiate a good contract.


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