"Automated" Airmanship
03-20-2018, 07:59 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by jcountry
You are right about one thing: Driving environments and flying environments are very different. Aviation takes place in a FAR more complex and dynamic environment.
03-20-2018, 08:07 PM
#83
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The US airline transportation system would grind to a frozen halt after 3 days with AI autobot "pilots" returning to the gate at outstations with alerted maintenance items that are presently "written up" only after returning to the major maintenance stations at major hubs.
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03-20-2018, 09:12 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
I guess you will pull over to the side of the cloud if the autopilot quits and what god forbid if the autothrottles also quit. The reason in training they were stressing automation is to be sure you can work the FMS and flight control systems. When on the line after IOE you better keep your hand flying skills because all the je wiz stuff can fail. I have had the aircraft hand itself to me at 350 before that is not the time to learn to fly again. We can also dispatch without a autopilot.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't work the FMS and autopilot? No.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't fly above 1000 feet? Yes.
With limited sim availability and training budget, there's your answer.
As for depending on people to take their own initiative to develop (not keep, but develop in the first place) their hand-flying skills after training, who don't have the desire? Yeah right.
03-21-2018, 02:36 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by vessbot
It's like any other problem where the bad consequences of one course of action are immediate, in your face, and assured; while those of the alternative are delayed, distant, and merely possible. Like smoking, going into debt on frivolities, etc.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't work the FMS and autopilot? No.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't fly above 1000 feet? Yes.
With limited sim availability and training budget, there's your answer.
As for depending on people to take their own initiative to develop (not keep, but develop in the first place) their hand-flying skills after training, who don't have the desire? Yeah right.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't work the FMS and autopilot? No.
Can you punt someone onto the line who can't fly above 1000 feet? Yes.
With limited sim availability and training budget, there's your answer.
As for depending on people to take their own initiative to develop (not keep, but develop in the first place) their hand-flying skills after training, who don't have the desire? Yeah right.
03-21-2018, 03:36 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by SpeedyVagabond
I am interested in knowing what percentage of you would actually ride in pilotless aircraft. I’ll never set foot in one.
We won’t see passenger airliners in our lifetimes, or those of our great grandchildren for that matter.
The technology is a long way off.
Computers are not intelligent. They are boxes of rocks which do very simple things really fast. AI is a party trick to fool stupid people into investing in stuff they don’t understand-and it won’t advance far beyond this point without some major revolution in how computers work
03-21-2018, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Silly me I though we were PROFESSIONAL Pilots and I would think self preservation might motivate you. Yes it is ultimately up to you to keep and hone your skills no amount of sim time take the place of actually flying the jet. IN IOE at my airline you do demonstrate you can hand fly the aircraft above 1000' and de automated. Your attitude simply astounds me you could not only get yourself killed but a plane load of others also.
03-22-2018, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
I’m not supporting the other guys post, but I disagree with this statement.
But aviation operates in an additional dimension with much higher speeds and a crapload more threats.
Wind shear, ice, birds, all manner of complex weather are just a few considerations cars never deal-or at least don’t affect them in any way that matters.
Our environment is a lot more dynamic. No question. Not to mention the much more complex systems of our machines.
Last edited by jcountry; 03-22-2018 at 08:49 AM.
