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Omnivorous 01-26-2018 04:04 PM

"Automated" Airmanship
 
Everyone is familiar with the phrase "automation airmanship." I think we all know what is lingering over the horizon... somewhere--AUTOMATED airmanship.

What are the projections for when Siri takes over the Boeing (presumably opinion-based)? "Hey Siri, shoot the RNAV" in 10 years? 20? 40?

I suspect we will go single-pilot before the robots take over, doubling the size of the pilot labor force. I am curious to hear what others think about the state of the future.

(Please prove me wrong, by the way).

contrails 01-26-2018 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 2512499)
Everyone is familiar with the phrase "automation airmanship." I think we all know what is lingering over the horizon... somewhere--AUTOMATED airmanship.

What are the projections for when Siri takes over the Boeing (presumably opinion-based)? "Hey Siri, shoot the RNAV" in 10 years? 20? 40?

You want that from Boeing?

They're delivering 737MAX jets for the next 5-10 years and those jets will fly for 30+ years.

I don't need to tell you what the cockpit looks like...!

2StgTurbine 01-26-2018 05:57 PM

GM and Ford didn't develop a driverless car; TESLA did. Similarly, Boeing won't create a pilotless plane (maybe Airbus), but it will likely be a brand new company (that could be bought by a major aircraft manufacturer).

First, that small company will produce a working pilotless plane. That plane will then spend 5-10 years proving that it is safe. Then, someone must build a large part 25 certified pilotless plane. Once some airline buys it, they will have to operate it with 2 pilots for about 10 years before they even think about changing regulations to let it be flown with 1 pilot.

That is about 20 years AFTER someone creates a pilotless plane. Within that time, it is more likely that the economy will crash causing airlines to go bankrupt which will cause the pay rates to be slashed which will make pilots cheaper than R&D.

And as others have said, the major manufacturers will want to extract as much money as they can out of their "legacy" 2 pilot airframes before they really push for a single pilot/no pilot plane. That means they will send tons of money to politicians to scare the public away from a single/no pilot plane until their 2 pilot cash cow airplanes are no longer worth it.

In short, no pilot alive today has to worry about it.

Riverside 01-26-2018 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 2512499)
(Please prove me wrong, by the way)

You're wrong by the way.

galaxy flyer 01-26-2018 07:17 PM

Look around there’s a dozen threads on this subject.

GF

tomgoodman 01-26-2018 07:29 PM

The nerds may design it, but the beancounters will kill it. 👎

Danger Close 01-27-2018 02:49 AM

I can see a system of acknowledging cpdlc-like commands as IBM Watson spaces traffic before pilotless or single pilot airplanes.

742Dash 01-27-2018 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 2512571)
GM and Ford didn't develop a driverless car; TESLA did... .

Here is how that Tesla "driverless car" thing is going. "Autopilot" was on, right into the back of a parked firetruck.

http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.news...crash-fire.JPG

Tesla is at level 2. The best system right now, and closest to level 4, is Cadillac's (GM). So if the automotive track record is the one to measure by, Boeing is key to the future and that future is very, very far off.

Dirty30 01-27-2018 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 2512499)
Everyone is familiar with the phrase "automation airmanship." I think we all know what is lingering over the horizon... somewhere--AUTOMATED airmanship.

What are the projections for when Siri takes over the Boeing (presumably opinion-based)? "Hey Siri, shoot the RNAV" in 10 years? 20? 40?

I suspect we will go single-pilot before the robots take over, doubling the size of the pilot labor force. I am curious to hear what others think about the state of the future.

(Please prove me wrong, by the way).

What's an RNAV? :D (sarcasm, we don't fly that on the legacy herc)

flyguyniner11 01-27-2018 05:18 AM

When automated trains are widespread I’ll start to worry. Right now only small monorail type trains are automated. Once Amtrak, subways and commuter trains are automated than maybe we will see it in aviation. But if they aren’t currently automating 18th century technology I don’t think it’ll happen in our lifetime.


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