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There was an incident in Colorado in which a 11 month old child died of cardiac arrest and had "High concentrations of marijuana in his blood." (whatever that means) some doctors have claimed that the marijuana was the cause of the cardiac arrest. Other doctors have said that it's not certain that the marijuana did cause the death, and that the pot-haters should probably stop doing their victory dance. Even if we assume that this death did result solely from marijuana ingestion, it's worth noting that this would be the *only* documented case of a death from marijuana overdose, ever. Meanwhile, 30-40 people a year die in the US from salicylate (aspirin) poisoning.

Not to mention undercooked small chunks of Panda.

Don't talk sh*t about Panda Express! I've been eating there regularly for 10 years. Never once gotten sick.

I have.....twice in 3 yrs, don't go there anymore

Panda Express = Chinese McDonalds. Stay away.

If it were merely TALKING sh*t after eating at Panda EXPRESS, it would be different. But it is EXPRESSING all that sh*t for a couple hours after eating there. Thank goodness I wasn't jumpseating on a CR 200 and monopolizing the LONE blue room for 3-4 hundred miles at a s*itting.

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I prefer to believe that nefarious drug dealers are giving kids thousands of dollars of edibles in hopes they die

Well, whatever works for you. Far be it from me to stand in your way. ;)

https://www.thecannabist.co/2017/11/...-update/92644/


https://www.wate.com/news/2-children...sted/834569952


It would be the first.. Even if there is no conclusive medical evidence that marijuana in the system of an infant contributed to his death, unconiousness in a child is not a small thing. I'm not eating any candy offered to me from someone else...particularly out of Denver.

Puts a whole new spin on Rocky Mountain High.

Shaking my head at the thought process that would lead someone to believe that it's a good idea to put drugs in something which would call out to a small child; "Eat me" ... like gummy bears.

It’s almosy as if adults sometimes eat candy or cookies or other foods

There is some expert level sarcasm and shade being thrown in this thread.... I approve!

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Ummm, yeah... I have no objection to legalized marijuana, but anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see that toddlers ingesting cannabis is probably something best avoided, and putting harmful (arguably lethal) substances in candies is going to have a very predictable outcome.

“Arguably lethal”


Lol. Reefer madness strikes again.

Lolol, it's the same thing as "Not all scientists agree on climate change. It's debatable."

From what I hear, pot engineering is a thing and they can grow this stuff with higher THC concentrations. Does this change the idea that you won’t test positive from second-hand exposure? After this vacation, I’m probably not going to visit any more places where this crap is legal.

The reference for "arguably lethal" is the previously linked possible poisoning death in Colorado. While there is some dispute in the medical community that the death was solely due to the cannabis ingestion, there are at least some who believe it was, and not without some fairly strong evidence. That's pretty much the textbook definition of "arguably". Regardless, only a fool would argue that small children ingesting cannabis would be completely harmless. See the previously linked article about children hospitalized due to accidental cannabis poisoning. As I said, I'm in favor of cannabis legalization. I don't think cannabis is evil, or that people who use it are evil. My opinion is not coming from a position of anti-pot hysteria. But it's quite possible to be in favor of adults having the freedom to partake in cannabis, and at the same time think that it's a really bad idea to package a substance that is harmful to small children, in a form that is attractive to small children to eat.



You can keep on yelling "REEFER MADNESS" if you like, but that just underscores the fact that you don't have an intelligent response.

Deadstick,

Good luck with that. Do you plan to stop flying domestically? As the greatest generation dies off and the voting populace becomes boomers, gen X, and mellineals the pot laws will loosen. I think the only people in my family that think pot should be illegal are my grandparents and none of us indulge currently.

My friend did tell me pot today is much more potent than even ten years ago. He also said pot smokers today are so pretentious. Kind of like a hipster coffee house crowd. He said it’s all about e-sig vaping oils and edibles. Nobody just rolls one the good ole fashion way anymore, at least on his circles

Neither of us have read the coroner’s report, and I’m willing to bet the only authorities who have said anything about cannabia poisoning are cops with no medical background. Feel free to correct me on that.


Also, did you hear that pharmaceutical companies are now packaging drugs with child friendly sweet flavors? One even has an LD50 orders of magnitude lower than cannabis! Get that dangerous dimetapp off the shelves!

Cough medicine isn’t packaged to look like candy and also has a locking cap. Try not to sound as crazy as the anti pot folks. The regulation of marketing and packaging of edibles needs some major changes.

So, your big issue is that edibles have easy open packaging?

It needs no changes. Just keep the (non-lethal) substance away from your kids the same way you do with thousands of other products

Well, you'd lose that bet. If you had done even the most superficial reading on the subject, instead of your your knee-jerk response of plugging your ears and yelling " DIDN"T HAPPEN!!!! REEFER MADNESS!!!! "; you would have seen that yes, actual doctors, with medical background, who by the way, specialize in toxicity, do in fact say that there is significant evidence to suggest that the death was related to the cannabis. It is not proven, (nor do the doctors *claim* it is proven) but then neither has it been conclusively refuted and no alternate cause of the myocarditis has been identified.





But, I think you've already demonstrated pretty clearly that you're not interested in reality.

Reefer heads get pretty triggered at any suggestion that cannabis is anything other than a benign useful material that makes the world a better place... the more, the better. Juries still out on that, but I imagine there will be plenty of research soon enough.

Almost anything can be toxic in the right quantities, and many things need to be kept away from kids.

If a pilot can test positive in this scenario and lose a career, there’s something wrong. Period. I just turned a corner to walk down some stairs and walked into a could of the crap. 3 guys sitting there having a grand ol’ time. :mad:

Three things:

1) I never said we shouldn’t keep edibles and cannabis away from children.

2) I’m far from a “reefer head,” having never used it in my life.

3) is it appropriate for a moderator of this forum to use insults on the members?

Eh, I stand corrected on the medical professionals (taking your word for it). I guess we will wait to see if there are any other links with myocarditis that suddenly pop up.

I still don’t think we need to stop making edibles.

You’ll be fine.

No way anybody is popping positive due to second-hand smoke. You would literally have to spend many hours daily in a small enclosed room with a bunch of people blazing away full bore to even have a remote chance of that.

If you feel yourself getting a buzz, probably time to leave the party, but even then, you'll still have plenty of room for error on the whiz quiz (if you're not an experienced toker, a little bit will go a long way and you'll feel it before it becomes a problem).

This has been well established, because the DoD and DOT need to be able to defeat the second-hand excuse when they catch a doper. The threshold is set pretty high, so they can rule out that excuse (otherwise everyone would use it).

Maybe, and maybe not. The ‘60s hippies thought they would do that, but instead they became old geezers like every generation before them. Why would things be any different this time? :rolleyes:

Here’s a known, actual dangerous drug (with a dramatically lower LD50 than cannabis) dressed as candy, and parents simply keep it away from kids:

Trader Joe's Dark Chocolate Covered Espresso Beans 14 oz. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009RS7VIK..._IQNqBbXHXV0VA

Haha, my kid got hold of some of those at about age 2. She was still up watching PBS at 0200 when I finally went to bed. A bit cranky the next day though.

I didn't know it was dangerous though.

Sooooo dangerous. I’ve finally gone clean. Took a few years. Some days I would wake up, and first thing I would do was reach for my beans. Relationships destroyed. It was terrible.

I got my beans from the Ben and Jerry’s in EWR C concourse. So delicious, so energizing, so expensive (seriously WTF). Hmmmm now that I think of it, I may go get some :D

nice thread revival.

In the eyes of the DOT, not yet it isn't.

Correct. CBD can make you pop positive, and there's no way to differentiate between CBD and more traditional MJ use. Either way, you're done.

As was pointed out above some nations take an extreme view of illegal drugs. Selling a dime bag will get you a hollow point in the back of the head in some places, so I imagine a pilot who popped would be looking at some very serious time in the local Hanoi Hilton.

It is, but it isn't.

Chemically, yes, CBD is not the same thing. Pharmaceutically pure CBD contains no THC, has no psychoactive properties and would not cause a positive on a DOT test.

Sounds good, right? Yeah, not so fast. a couple of problems:

1) According to the Federal Government CBD is a Schedule 1 drug, so in the eyes of the federal government, CBD is in the same category as Heroin and LSD,

2) I said Phamaceutically pure CBD wouldn't cause a positive on a DOT test. Thing is, it's not all pharmacutically pure. Even though you can go in stores and openly buy CBD in some states, there are no controls on the quality of the extraction. You're trusting that whomever is producing the CBD you're taking is producing a a high quality extract that contains no THC. That's not always a safe bet. An AME in my local area posted on social media that he had patients (at least one, it might have been 2, no names or personal details so HIPPA patient confidentiality wasn't violated) who had tested positive for THC after taking CBD which they believed was safe.

I'm willing to consider that CBD may have some therapeutic benefits, and if folks are getting positive results from CBD, more power to them. I damn sure wouldn't knowingly take them myself, as long as my career is dependent on passing a DOT screening test.

Not *quite* correct, I don't think. As I understand it. CBD will *not* cause a positive for THC on a DOT screening test, *BUT* CBD products have no quality control, and the CBD product you buy may contain THC which of course *will* cause a positive on a DOT test.

That part is true.

This is correct, and is what I meant by "CBD can make you pop positive".

My understanding is some CBD is intentionally left with THC, to enhance the end-user experience (and hopefully encourage repeat customers).