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FlyJSH 06-29-2018 06:57 PM

Hand Propping
 
I was watching The Great Waldo Pepper for the zillionth time and noticed something about how they hand propped.

Rather than pulling through an intake and compression cycle clockwise (pilot's view), they pulled it counter clockwise. When the crank was at or near TDC of the exhaust stroke, the prop was released, and the compressed air kicked the engine through a firing/ignition cycle. Is this the norm? Or is it only done on some engines?

METO Guido 06-30-2018 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 2624829)
Is this the norm? Or is it only done on some engines?

No idea. But notice the prop bolted right to the engine case in the video example attached?


[URL="http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/engines/starting-up-a-ww1-rotary-engine/3812381667001"]

Twin Wasp 07-01-2018 04:41 AM

That defines a rotary engine At least before Wankel took over the term.

METO Guido 07-01-2018 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 2625444)
That defines a rotary engine At least before Wankel took over the term.

I think I see what you mean. Except the whole crankcase spins, wild. Never noticed before.

Twin Wasp 07-01-2018 06:15 AM

They were good in that the engine stayed cool running on the ground since the cylinders had airflow all the time. They bled oil and the torque issues were 'interesting.'

rickair7777 07-01-2018 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 2625472)
They were good in that the engine stayed cool running on the ground since the cylinders had airflow all the time. They bled oil and the torque issues were 'interesting.'

I imagine they also had more engine inertia than other piston engines, possibly turbojet-like response (which is not good).

Twin Wasp 07-01-2018 02:28 PM

Early inline engines had a flywheel to balance out the power strokes. The rotary engine had a better power to weight ratio since the case and cylinders did double duty as a flywheel.

Some of the early rotary engines were controlled by turning the ignition on and off. This led to fouled spark plugs. Later ones had primitive throttle and mixture controls and it was better to shut the fuel off and keep the plugs firing on approach to landing. The ones I've heard at air shows power right up when started, nothing like JT3C response.

Airhoss 07-05-2018 08:34 PM

Here’s a good video of a currently operation original Camel.

https://youtu.be/Hq78ZocOAkY

RadialGal 07-05-2018 11:16 PM

Recently got to see a 100 percent authentic Sopwith Pup do a full power runup. Complete with Blps and Castor oil a plenty.

I remember hand propping my first plane. It was a tiny little T-crate. My Instructor (tailwheel rating) was an old Pelican Airline Pilot. I, a freshly minted Commercial Pilot. The crate had no electrical system, so she had to be hand-propped. He got in the cockpit, made all the right calls, and I flung the blade like I had seen in all those King/Jeppesen videos.

Welllllllll, I thought I did; but I didn't. I flung it like I was holding onto a 3 ft chainsaw at full power. I backed away as if it were radioactive. He just laughed at me. "Crucified Christ! It's not an F-16 inlet!" Over and over I flung it like it was a rabid dog, like it had Ebola.......I was simply terrified for some reason. Then he got out, rolled his eyes dramatically and said "stand right next to me." He chocked the bird, came over, grabbed the prop like he had flown her for for 25 years (which he had) and did the old Waldo Pepper fling. The engine popped to life immediately. I stood right next to him, less than a foot from the prop......and was unharmed. I quickly loss my fear after that (and have hand propped many birds since)

How many Millenials (sadly I am one) have hand propped a bird? I wonder?

RadialGal

badflaps 07-06-2018 02:39 AM

Being an old J-3 guy, the mistake most make is standing too far away. If you lose your balance you will fall forward. (Not good). Stand close in, and you will fall backward and that big baby will roll right over you. If you are complete chicken ******* you can seaplane prop from the right rear.:D


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