Green New Deal! (Air Travel Unnecessary)
02-13-2019, 12:03 PM
#501
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Have you ever heard of this guy, Donald Trump? "Got it."
02-13-2019, 12:09 PM
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The intent is clearly outlined in the bill’s text.
It’s obviously a step towards increased government control, income/wealth redistribution, social and environmental “justice”, etc.
The combination of environmental/social justice with identity politics is the new version of the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie.
It’s obviously a step towards increased government control, income/wealth redistribution, social and environmental “justice”, etc.
The combination of environmental/social justice with identity politics is the new version of the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie.
02-13-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
This thread is fascinating, and illustrates how well the progressive left has infiltrated schools and used this issue to further its agenda.
The backgrounder on the GND clearly states that it is a massive transformation of our society. You can then read the bullet points and see that, it in fact is clear as day pushing us into socialism. Yet, when this is pointed out, GND apologists on here claim that we are wrong, crazy, stupid, watch too much Fox News/Rush/Hanity.
The far left managed to scare a generation into believing that the world will end soon, if we don’t do something drastic, and that something drastic is socialism. Since students are now taught more about climate change than socialism, it’s only natural that they’d be in favor. But once (if) folks see the reality of socialism, which goes completely against human nature, they will regret this stuff.
I don’t know the ages or jobs of the GND apologists on here, but I assume most are young Regional guys. Most probably have aspirations of getting a job at a major. Most have spent a crap ton of money, blood sweat and tears to get where they are. Most would like to be paid well for their sacrifices.
Set aside the elimination of air travel for a moment...Under the GND, their goal will be to make your discretionary income about the same as everybody else’s. There are a lot of ways they can do it, but the likely way (and what AOC has proposed) is an 80% top marginal tax rate with no loopholes. She claims this would only be on ultra wealthy but also acknowledges that that’s not enough. So it will work it’s way down. Something along the lines of:
$0 to $80k has a tax credit that will bring their income up to $80k
$80k to $100k has a 50% rate
$100k plus has an 80% rate
So as a major CA making $300k you’d gross about $120k, and your unemployed (by choice) neighbor would gross $80k. How happy would you be with that after years of hard work? What would be the incentive to work hard?
AOC and her ilk assume a static model of the economy and assume production. But that’s not how it works, because under the above scenario, you’d say, “screw it” I’ll just not work and live like my neighbor.
This is just a simple example of how this could work, but don’t take my word, just look at Venezuela’s dramatic slide into socialism. And no, it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a history lesson. I’m not wearing a tin foil hat or masturbating to Fox News. It is spelled out clearly in the GND.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...w-Deal-FAQ.pdf
Do I think this is likely...not really, but it is her goal, there is no doubt about that.
The backgrounder on the GND clearly states that it is a massive transformation of our society. You can then read the bullet points and see that, it in fact is clear as day pushing us into socialism. Yet, when this is pointed out, GND apologists on here claim that we are wrong, crazy, stupid, watch too much Fox News/Rush/Hanity.
The far left managed to scare a generation into believing that the world will end soon, if we don’t do something drastic, and that something drastic is socialism. Since students are now taught more about climate change than socialism, it’s only natural that they’d be in favor. But once (if) folks see the reality of socialism, which goes completely against human nature, they will regret this stuff.
I don’t know the ages or jobs of the GND apologists on here, but I assume most are young Regional guys. Most probably have aspirations of getting a job at a major. Most have spent a crap ton of money, blood sweat and tears to get where they are. Most would like to be paid well for their sacrifices.
Set aside the elimination of air travel for a moment...Under the GND, their goal will be to make your discretionary income about the same as everybody else’s. There are a lot of ways they can do it, but the likely way (and what AOC has proposed) is an 80% top marginal tax rate with no loopholes. She claims this would only be on ultra wealthy but also acknowledges that that’s not enough. So it will work it’s way down. Something along the lines of:
$0 to $80k has a tax credit that will bring their income up to $80k
$80k to $100k has a 50% rate
$100k plus has an 80% rate
So as a major CA making $300k you’d gross about $120k, and your unemployed (by choice) neighbor would gross $80k. How happy would you be with that after years of hard work? What would be the incentive to work hard?
AOC and her ilk assume a static model of the economy and assume production. But that’s not how it works, because under the above scenario, you’d say, “screw it” I’ll just not work and live like my neighbor.
This is just a simple example of how this could work, but don’t take my word, just look at Venezuela’s dramatic slide into socialism. And no, it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a history lesson. I’m not wearing a tin foil hat or masturbating to Fox News. It is spelled out clearly in the GND.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...w-Deal-FAQ.pdf
Do I think this is likely...not really, but it is her goal, there is no doubt about that.
Look at Canada as an example. Americans think Canadians are socialists and they do have a more progressive tax structure. With one side of my family Canadian citizens, aside from the cold knowing what I know I would love to move there. Things are so much better. I feel more free in Canada walking around parliament then I do in Washington DC. The US has gone off the rails, both sides. And the general public has lost all common sense, the PC coarse we are on now is a train wreck.
02-13-2019, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
I am curious going forward if people are more inclined to move to or away from a metro area. I wouldn't be surprised to see more moving away as technology develops and allows more people to work from domicile.
Also, I would bet there is an overlay or a socio-economic disparity on these major metropolitan areas which would show where the greatest income-disparity gap lies. I imagine that if you look at these larger cities you will also see a larger portion of homelessness and poor in the same areas and concentration of economic contribution (according to this graphic).
If you overlay a political map in red/blue, all of these metro areas where it indicates major wealth generation would equate to blue votes and the rural areas are predominately red.
02-13-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
You favor rationed health care?
As an example, my wife's grandmother was 94 and had signs of a brain tumor. The wait for an MRI for her was roughly six months. She passed before that.
In the US we would rush the senior to get every image done possible within a few days. We would operate, drug, and hospitalize them and spend $500,000-$750,000 (rough estimate for cancer treatments) on them. And it wouldn't extend their life one bit, it may actually kill them earlier, and they would be in extreme pain from the chemo.
Many drugs down here that are doctor prescribed are not only OTC up there but also significantly cheaper. The Epi-pen is a good example.
They recognize that basic healthcare is important but advanced healthcare isn't an unlimited resource. It's just a different mentality than down here. Despite that, they live roughly three years longer on average than the average US citizen. And they manage that by spending almost half as much per person per year.
So, maybe they are doing something right? Maybe our system, isn't so great after all?
As pilots we are so far out in left field on healthcare costs. My wife now has a good company plan but prior to that her coworkers were paying roughly $1,000 a month for crap healthcare plans with many thousands in deductibles. This was at tech companies.
Healthcare spending is a huge drag on our economy, and our results aren't as good as other countries who spend less. Time to ask why.
02-13-2019, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
If you believe pollution is the moral equivalent of war demanding “mobilization” on the scale of WW II, as in the GND backgrounder, and continue to participate in polluting, if not a hypocrite, you’re a morally bankrupt collaborator. Mobilization, by the way, is a military term, General AOC thinks she’s a modern Jeanne d’Arc. In reality, she a misemployed barmaid.
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02-13-2019, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Hey I totally agree with some of what you say but those numbers are so far out of the ball park they aren't even remotely realistic. I truly don't believe AOC wants us to be like Venezuela either.
Nobody wants what Venezuela is today, the problem is, that’s ultimately what you get when you go full blown socialist (not like Canada or Sweeden etc). This FAQ is full blown socialism, and it amazes me that some folks on here (not you) won’t concede that.
02-13-2019, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
It's not really "rationed". Until you get very old.
As an example, my wife's grandmother was 94 and had signs of a brain tumor. The wait for an MRI for her was roughly six months. She passed before that.
In the US we would rush the senior to get every image done possible within a few days. We would operate, drug, and hospitalize them and spend $500,000-$750,000 (rough estimate for cancer treatments) on them. And it wouldn't extend their life one bit, it may actually kill them earlier, and they would be in extreme pain from the chemo.
Many drugs down here that are doctor prescribed are not only OTC up there but also significantly cheaper. The Epi-pen is a good example.
They recognize that basic healthcare is important but advanced healthcare isn't an unlimited resource. It's just a different mentality than down here. Despite that, they live roughly three years longer on average than the average US citizen. And they manage that by spending almost half as much per person per year.
So, maybe they are doing something right? Maybe our system, isn't so great after all?
As pilots we are so far out in left field on healthcare costs. My wife now has a good company plan but prior to that her coworkers were paying roughly $1,000 a month for crap healthcare plans with many thousands in deductibles. This was at tech companies.
Healthcare spending is a huge drag on our economy, and our results aren't as good as other countries who spend less. Time to ask why.
As an example, my wife's grandmother was 94 and had signs of a brain tumor. The wait for an MRI for her was roughly six months. She passed before that.
In the US we would rush the senior to get every image done possible within a few days. We would operate, drug, and hospitalize them and spend $500,000-$750,000 (rough estimate for cancer treatments) on them. And it wouldn't extend their life one bit, it may actually kill them earlier, and they would be in extreme pain from the chemo.
Many drugs down here that are doctor prescribed are not only OTC up there but also significantly cheaper. The Epi-pen is a good example.
They recognize that basic healthcare is important but advanced healthcare isn't an unlimited resource. It's just a different mentality than down here. Despite that, they live roughly three years longer on average than the average US citizen. And they manage that by spending almost half as much per person per year.
So, maybe they are doing something right? Maybe our system, isn't so great after all?
As pilots we are so far out in left field on healthcare costs. My wife now has a good company plan but prior to that her coworkers were paying roughly $1,000 a month for crap healthcare plans with many thousands in deductibles. This was at tech companies.
Healthcare spending is a huge drag on our economy, and our results aren't as good as other countries who spend less. Time to ask why.
There are probably some things we can learn from the Canadian but, I still prefer to have my options on what doctor I want to see. I am not a big fan of waiting forever for treatment either. Even if I am 94, I wouldn't want to wait 6 months for an MRI.
Somewhere between lowering overall costs, keeping lawyers away, capping lawsuits, adjusting regulatory policies (FDA), investigating "big" pharmacy, creating more competition in the markets, and/or looking at health care more holistically could be an answer. A progressive health care cost system might be something to look into based on how healthy of a lifestyle you develop.
Opening up a can of worms, but if I eat McD's 3 times a day and don't exercise, I am more prone to having more health problems than if I eat vegemite and work out several times a week. Personally, I eat McD's and workout so I would negate any benefits. :-)
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