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Name User 02-13-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2763508)
It’s just an example of one way they could try to go. I don’t think it’s likely any time soon, but I take AOC at her word for what she is trying to do. If you read the document it says economic security for those unable or unwilling to work. That’s going to be a lot of people and cost a lot of money.

Nobody wants what Venezuela is today, the problem is, that’s ultimately what you get when you go full blown socialist (not like Canada or Sweeden etc). This FAQ is full blown socialism, and it amazes me that some folks on here (not you) won’t concede that.

The bullet points were frightening. I'm upset more is not being covered in that reguard.

I like some of her ideas unfortunately she completely blew her credibility with those few lines.

Name User 02-13-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by justumn30 (Post 2763509)
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There are probably some things we can learn from the Canadian but, I still prefer to have my options on what doctor I want to see

Interesting I wasn't aware they couldn't see their own doctor. I will have to phone my family and inform them they must let the government choose for them henceforth.

:rolleyes:

Andy 02-13-2019 01:39 PM

Worried about global warming? Vote Republican
 
This is from Columbia University's website.
All global cooling since Chester A Arthur has occurred under Republicans and all global warming since that time have occurred under Democrats. Link: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.e...the-democrats/

Slaphappy 02-13-2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2763425)
And there it is. YOU extrapolated and projected your own right wing conspiracy theory.

If your arguments could stand on their own there would be no need for such fantastical straw man building.

Read the bullet points that's literally what it does. What do you think a 70-90% tax rate is?

justumn30 02-13-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2763520)
Interesting I wasn't aware they couldn't see their own doctor. I will have to phone my family and inform them they must let the government choose for them henceforth.

:rolleyes:

I stand corrected. Made a wrong assumption based on your wife's grandmother being 94 and having to wait for an MRI. Made me think she couldn't choose a different physician or medical place to be seen sooner. I wasn't trying to conflate the current Canadian Health Care System to what I feel would be an American "Socialist" Version of a Government ran service. Either way, appreciate you pointing out the error though and clearing that up.

Still, curious as to the tradeoffs. I'd be happier with an improved system overall. I'm sure there are a few takeaways from the Canadian system.

But since we are not on the subject, it is true - Canadians can choose their Doctor. Noting that Doctors are self-employed and not actually government employees provides comfort in knowing they aren't being "bossed" around by Government officials. But even with that, Canadians typically wait longer for health care than people in many other countries (according to some statistics). 20 percent reported waiting at least one week to see a family doctor. Granted, once they get treatment they are generally pleased with the services. Not saying USA has it better. Just pointing out some tidbits I read. Feel free to correct any wrong info again. Here in the States, pending what insurance you have, will dictate the service and for some, it's not that great either. So we can certainly do better here.

I suppose my point, is that for me, if I am feeling sick, or my wife is ill, I can go to any walk-in clinic same day (even if it's not an emergency) and be seen. I am certainly unversed as to the common practices with the Canadian system, but if the average time is greater than a week I'd rather keep what I have. Also, I feel pretty fortunate that if my mother or elder family members needed an MRI, I am fairly convinced she wouldn't have to wait as I'd be able to find a place within 72 hours.

I do also find it curious that the Canadian system is not standardized across the country. Although, that can be a plus, as each province can tailor their health services to match those of the people living within the province. But from my limited reading it seems it makes it more difficult when getting specific treatment from different provinces. The amount of treatment and coverage you get varies within the provinces as well. I suppose thats great as long as you are not paying more for less service. Pros and Cons to each system.

Point is, the American system has a lot of flaws, and probably a few things we can learn from the Canadian system. Certainly some good takeaways from Canada. Lower prescription costs is a huge plus.

Mesabah 02-13-2019 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2763533)
This is from Columbia University's website.
All global cooling since Chester A Arthur has occurred under Republicans and all global warming since that time have occurred under Democrats. Link: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.e...the-democrats/

It's almost like you can use statistics to show anything you want.

justumn30 02-13-2019 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2763544)
It's almost like you can use statistics to show anything you want.

The problem with politics these days. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't true.

galaxy flyer 02-13-2019 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2763506)
Why do so many people keep criticizing her for not having political experience? Plenty of people come from non-political backgrounds, who know nothing about government and have lofty grand ideas with no practical method of being implemented and no chance of being successful. I can think of one person who fits this description and was somehow elected to political office. In fact this person oddly made it all the way to the presidency!!:eek:

Agreed on Mr. Trump, but, at least, he can claim life and business experience, not all good admittedly. AOC brings nada except for college dorm thinking and bar tending plus a little political campaigning. A four-year hitch in the military or a few years in real management meeting a payroll, answering for performance would be an improvement. Heck, a CFI with six month’s instructor time has made more critical decisions and performed to standards.

GF

Andy 02-13-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2763544)
It's almost like you can use statistics to show anything you want.

Exactly my point. Same goes with anthropogenic global warming.

Climate science isn't science anymore; it stopped being science the day that Dr James Hansen did the first adjustment to the temperature record and did not save the original data because he claimed that there wasn't enough computer storage space for both versions while he was the head of GISS.
Seriously, who does that? Certainly not a scientist. Someone with an agenda who doesn't want his work checked.

I've read more than a few 'logical' explanations for making temperature data adjustments. The crux of the problem is that, just like Australia's Bureau of Meteorology recent adjustment (where the adjustment showed 23% more warming than the previous adjustment), just about every single adjustment cools the past and warms the present. Global warming becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, thanks to confirmation bias.

Andy 02-13-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2763551)
Agreed on Mr. Trump, but, at least, he can claim life and business experience, not all good admittedly. AOC brings nada except for college dorm thinking and bar tending plus a little political campaigning. A four-year hitch in the military or a few years in real management meeting a payroll, answering for performance would be an improvement. Heck, a CFI with six month’s instructor time has made more critical decisions and performed to standards.

GF

Come on now, it's critical for a bartender to know the difference between a white Russian and a black Russian. Of course the difference is that ordering a black Russian is racist. :D


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