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Old 06-07-2019, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
The fact that you burned some gas doesn’t negate the positive of recycling.
It’s called virtue signaling and you’re doing it also.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:43 AM
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Well actually petroleum hasn't proven to be a finite resource. Peak oil is a myth.
I think it's almost certainly finite at some point, marginal theories aside. If it can regenerate itself on a timeline that's useful to us, that has never been observed, and if a bottomless oil well existed somebody would have found it for obvious reasons. But we've shown that with new exploration and extraction technology there's a hell of a lot more of it available than anyone ever realized. So probably not finite in this century.

But unless something happens to utterly debunk global warming (cooling? questioning?), political forces will continue to make a dent in fossil fuel use. That's not a horrible thing, carbon aside, fossil fuels are just not good for the environment (although technology can mitigate that somewhat). Also you have to consider that oil is subject to dramatic disruption due to geopolitical forces... like in 1972, that could force changes abruptly. Better to do it in a gradual, at least somewhat planned manner since a lot of jobs depend on the oil industry today, and the entire global economy could collapse if you suddenly wipe out a major sector.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:34 AM
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I have always thought aviation was bit immune from these type of criticisms based on the fact it is mass transportation which is generally viewed positively by environmentalist and the industry is constantly trying to find ways to reduce fuel use.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:39 AM
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I have always thought aviation was bit immune from these type of criticisms based on the fact it is mass transportation which is generally viewed positively by environmentalist and the industry is constantly trying to find ways to reduce fuel use.
Aviation is central to these criticisms, particularly given that much of air travel is non-essential.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinLion View Post
I have always thought aviation was bit immune from these type of criticisms based on the fact it is mass transportation which is generally viewed positively by environmentalist and the industry is constantly trying to find ways to reduce fuel use.
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Aviation is central to these criticisms, particularly given that much of air travel is non-essential.
Mass transportation in the sense that they'd rather you take the bus than drive a car. But the majority of air travel is not directly essential to the daily lives of people. Like going to work, school, or grocery shopping. They'd rather you just stay home and get some quality screen time like you're supposed to.

The progressives would rather you just don't fly at all unless it's absolutely essential, such as attending an important protest.

What they are utterly missing of course is the MASSIVE economic tie-ins between air travel and tourist economies. Tourism is a noticeable component of most economies, and a large irreplaceable part of many.

Also there are intangibles of mass tourism, such as cultural awareness and understanding. There are several obvious potential factors, but we (the developed world) have not engaged in massive warfare with each other (or almost any warfare) since about the time long-range air travel and wholesale tourism became broadly available. The exceptions seem associated with totalitarian societies where liberal travel was not authorized.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:57 PM
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In the US there is virtually no recycling presently except for aluminium. And even when there was, the only product to really create a net positive when recycled, was aluminium.

Ummm, No.

Lead is the most recycled product in the US at 99%+ recycled.

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/the-am...ycling-2877926

Currently, more than 85 percent of lead is used in the production of lead batteries, while nearly 100 percent of that amount is easily recoverable and recyclable. Back in 2013, worldwide production of recycled lead was 6.7 million tons, equating to 54 percent of total global lead production. All lead produced in the U.S. and 74 percent of lead produced in Europe comes from recycled stock. The current lead recycling rate in North America and Europe is nearly 100 percent.
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