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Old 02-23-2020, 07:38 AM   #21  
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You realize this is the federal government that you're dealing with, right?
Actually... as far as the Fed is concerned only an ACM in the cockpit is actually an ACM. If you're in the back (and stay there), you're a nonrev per the fed (host airline, and your airline may have different ideas).

Could be awkward if they ask you to come up, that's why I would only ever do it if INVITED to by the CA (I would never ask or presume).

If I was in a nonrev status, had a drink or two, and the fit hit the shan, the CA's emergency authority would suffice to allow me in the cockpit if urgently required.
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If you want to roll the dice just pack minis in your bag cheap a$$ pilot


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Thread starter here - wedding was great and did the non-rev option to play it safe. Chatted with the FAs a bit and when they heard why I was non-reving instead of jumpseating they hooked me up something fierce. Certificates safe another day and an excellent return on investment.
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Actually... as far as the Fed is concerned only an ACM in the cockpit is actually an ACM. If you're in the back (and stay there), you're a nonrev per the fed (host airline, and your airline may have different ideas).
That makes more sense than I would expect coming from the FAA... source?
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That makes more sense than I would expect coming from the FAA... source?

Long standing corporate knowledge. They just don't care if nonrevs drink.

If you're in the cabin, you're a nonrev. They don't care if the basis for your nonrev status is a reciprocal JS agreement. Half the airlines I jump on these days don't even issue me cockpit paperwork if there's a seat in the back, I just get a boarding pass with a seat number. Some don't even want you checking in with the crew, to minimize delays/distractions.

But the host airline may have specific policies, so I wouldn't go there unless the CA offers (or not, if you prefer).
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[QUOTE=airlinegypsy;2981253]As a “jumpseater” sitting in the back am I in the crew list? Am I on duty? No. Hell im not even listed as occupying the jump seat for weight and balance purposes. Am I to refrain from alcohol in case I’m needed for something? If there’s another company pilot on board, typed on the equipment non-revving with his family and is needed to help in an emergency do you really think he’s going to be turned away because he had a cocktail?
You’ve just finished a 14hr duty period and missed your first couple of flights home and now you’ve been up for 22 hours straight. Are you really fit to be an ACM?
No booze in the back because you’re a crew member equals needing to be fit for duty if you’re occupying the jump seat.
Or use some common sense.

Or just follow the rules. If a drink is important enough to apply your common sense and violate the rule perhaps you need to look at options to reduce the importance of alcohol.
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As a “jumpseater” sitting in the back am I in the crew list? Am I on duty? No. Hell im not even listed as occupying the jump seat for weight and balance purposes. Am I to refrain from alcohol in case I’m needed for something? If there’s another company pilot on board, typed on the equipment non-revving with his family and is needed to help in an emergency do you really think he’s going to be turned away because he had a cocktail?

You’ve just finished a 14hr duty period and missed your first couple of flights home and now you’ve been up for 22 hours straight. Are you really fit to be an ACM?

No booze in the back because you’re a crew member equals needing to be fit for duty if you’re occupying the jump seat.

Or use some common sense.



Or just follow the rules. If a drink is important enough to apply your common sense and violate the rule perhaps you need to look at options to reduce the importance of alcohol.


I ask again, what rule? Specifically please.


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Airlines’ GOMs, in general, that I’ve been with for many decades, as a rule, consumption of alcohol is prohibited, if listed as an ACM, no matter the cabin or seat occupied. I can live with that. Non reving is a different story with each airline, specific, one is employed with.
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