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Going Missed 02-11-2020 10:29 AM

Booze and non-reving
 
Heading to a buddy's wedding soon and hope to catch a flight home after the wedding. I would like to be able to join for toasts etc but want to make sure I'm good with FAA booze rules. Am I only able to list as a non-rev and pay the segment fee or can I list a jumpseater (free) but just not accept a flight deck jumpseat? Me and my buddy appreciate any help!

rickair7777 02-11-2020 05:27 PM

You need to comply with the 8 hour rule as an ACM. Period.

Don't put the CA on the spot by showing up under the influence.

In the old days, a cabin JSer might be offered free booze by the CA or FA. If the CA offers, then it's your call. Technically not kosher, but unlikely to be enforced.

CoefficientX 02-11-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2975189)
If the CA offers, then it's your call. Technically not kosher, but unlikely to be enforced.


Good Lord. Horrible advice, I cannot envision a scenario where it makes any sense whatsoever to consume alcohol while traveling as a jumpseater wherever you may be sitting. No, no, no.

Hetman 02-11-2020 07:02 PM

Two words:

Club soda

sourdough44 02-12-2020 02:58 AM

Jump seat, no drinking. Riding in back, non-reving, out of uniform, it’s alright to have a drink or two before/during the flight.

UAL T38 Phlyer 02-12-2020 06:41 AM

Some years ago, I saw a guy jumpseating get offered a First Class seat, as was I. He was a young regional guy, and new to the industry. FA asked if he’d like something to drink...he ordered alcohol.

FA mentioned it to the Capt.

Capt came back and said, diplomatically, “I’m sorry we won’t be able to accommodate you today.” He was sent packing...the look on his face was “what did I do?”

Technically, if a flight was selected for random drug screening, I’m pretty certain even jumpseaters are included.

rickair7777 02-12-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 2975415)

Technically, if a flight was selected for random drug screening, I’m pretty certain even jumpseaters are included.

In truth I have never ever heard of JSer's getting a random. It would likely not be possible with an offline JSer since the host airline has no authority over him, or mechanism to assign and process a random. If you're online and want to drink in the back, you should obviously nonrev anyway.

If there was an accident/incident, and you were involved in flight operations (ie in the cockpit) I'm sure the FAA could do substance testing but I can't imagine they could get that organized soon enough. Besides, you'd be under no obligation to wait around while they figured it out.

In today's environment probably best to stick to the letter of the law., even if offered hospitality.

SSlow 02-12-2020 10:14 AM

What about cabin jumpseating on an international flight on OAL? I've never done it but often wondered what the rules are since OAL pilots can't occupy the flight deck JS. I would assume the answer is no but I really have no clue.

Gone Flying 02-21-2020 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2975543)
What about cabin jumpseating on an international flight on OAL? I've never done it but often wondered what the rules are since OAL pilots can't occupy the flight deck JS. I would assume the answer is no but I really have no clue.

if you are on the flight as a jumpseater (no matter where you sit) you are on board as an additional crew member. crew members cant drink and neither can you. I cant think of a single scenario where I would be comfortable explaining why I ordered alcohol while I was on a jumpseat listing.

airlinegypsy 02-21-2020 03:18 PM

As a “jumpseater” sitting in the back am I in the crew list? Am I on duty? No. Hell im not even listed as occupying the jump seat for weight and balance purposes. Am I to refrain from alcohol in case I’m needed for something? If there’s another company pilot on board, typed on the equipment non-revving with his family and is needed to help in an emergency do you really think he’s going to be turned away because he had a cocktail?
You’ve just finished a 14hr duty period and missed your first couple of flights home and now you’ve been up for 22 hours straight. Are you really fit to be an ACM?
No booze in the back because you’re a crew member equals needing to be fit for duty if you’re occupying the jump seat.
Or use some common sense.



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