Booze and non-reving
 

Heading to a buddy's wedding soon and hope to catch a flight home after the wedding. I would like to be able to join for toasts etc but want to make sure I'm good with FAA booze rules. Am I only able to list as a non-rev and pay the segment fee or can I list a jumpseater (free) but just not accept a flight deck jumpseat? Me and my buddy appreciate any help!

You need to comply with the 8 hour rule as an ACM. Period.

Don't put the CA on the spot by showing up under the influence.

In the old days, a cabin JSer might be offered free booze by the CA or FA. If the CA offers, then it's your call. Technically not kosher, but unlikely to be enforced.

Good Lord. Horrible advice, I cannot envision a scenario where it makes any sense whatsoever to consume alcohol while traveling as a jumpseater wherever you may be sitting. No, no, no.

Two words:

Club soda

Jump seat, no drinking. Riding in back, non-reving, out of uniform, it’s alright to have a drink or two before/during the flight.

Some years ago, I saw a guy jumpseating get offered a First Class seat, as was I. He was a young regional guy, and new to the industry. FA asked if he’d like something to drink...he ordered alcohol.

FA mentioned it to the Capt.

Capt came back and said, diplomatically, “I’m sorry we won’t be able to accommodate you today.” He was sent packing...the look on his face was “what did I do?”

Technically, if a flight was selected for random drug screening, I’m pretty certain even jumpseaters are included.

In truth I have never ever heard of JSer's getting a random. It would likely not be possible with an offline JSer since the host airline has no authority over him, or mechanism to assign and process a random. If you're online and want to drink in the back, you should obviously nonrev anyway.

If there was an accident/incident, and you were involved in flight operations (ie in the cockpit) I'm sure the FAA could do substance testing but I can't imagine they could get that organized soon enough. Besides, you'd be under no obligation to wait around while they figured it out.

In today's environment probably best to stick to the letter of the law., even if offered hospitality.

What about cabin jumpseating on an international flight on OAL? I've never done it but often wondered what the rules are since OAL pilots can't occupy the flight deck JS. I would assume the answer is no but I really have no clue.

if you are on the flight as a jumpseater (no matter where you sit) you are on board as an additional crew member. crew members cant drink and neither can you. I cant think of a single scenario where I would be comfortable explaining why I ordered alcohol while I was on a jumpseat listing.

As a “jumpseater” sitting in the back am I in the crew list? Am I on duty? No. Hell im not even listed as occupying the jump seat for weight and balance purposes. Am I to refrain from alcohol in case I’m needed for something? If there’s another company pilot on board, typed on the equipment non-revving with his family and is needed to help in an emergency do you really think he’s going to be turned away because he had a cocktail?
You’ve just finished a 14hr duty period and missed your first couple of flights home and now you’ve been up for 22 hours straight. Are you really fit to be an ACM?
No booze in the back because you’re a crew member equals needing to be fit for duty if you’re occupying the jump seat.
Or use some common sense.



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..If you want to drink, then nonrev..No problem..Jumpseating is a priviledge, not a right to act like an i--t..No alcohol, if you JS..Period..

Fly safe,
B757

You realize this is the federal government that you're dealing with, right?

Show me where it says someone who flies as an offline commuter sitting in the cabin can’t drink? In this case jumpseat is a verb, not a noun. Notwithstanding a specific companies ops specs.


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Jumpseat, cabin or not you’re getting a free ride.
Don’t expect a free meal or free drinks.
I wouldn’t ask for alcohol simply as a courtesy.

Why do people need booze to be amused? Personally I like the idea of eating as many gas inducing foods before I non-rev in the back to watch the people around me react.

I am a little late to the party, but if I have to think about if I can or cannot have alcohol on a plane, I play safe and say no.

Last time I checked booze isn’t free.
Its a perk for rewards member s traveling First/Business.
You get a seat that just happens to be available, doesn’t mean you get the perks associated with it.
Certainly don’t ask for anything that isn’t offered.
Yes I’ve accepted free lunch boxes but only when offered by the FA’s.
I certainly wouldn’t think to ask for alcohol.
Bit of a douche bag move by the FA to report him to the Capt but he should have asked for a soda.

Yes mooching is low class. I always try to pay as a non rev, on or off line, for food or drink. Most of the time I’m told to put my card away. The tone I’m getting from some on here is that not only would it be bad form, but illegal to even purchase alcohol.


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Alcohol can obviously be free depending on in which class someone sits. Not necessarily Frequent Flyer status, but it can be part of it. If Jumpseating... No Alcohol... As they consider you a ACM as mentioned above. Of how much use you can be in the case your skills are required is a different discussion.

Uh no....the company pays and it sure isn’t the same price as the little bottle of water or their bad coffee.

Actually... as far as the Fed is concerned only an ACM in the cockpit is actually an ACM. If you're in the back (and stay there), you're a nonrev per the fed (host airline, and your airline may have different ideas).

Could be awkward if they ask you to come up, that's why I would only ever do it if INVITED to by the CA (I would never ask or presume).

If I was in a nonrev status, had a drink or two, and the fit hit the shan, the CA's emergency authority would suffice to allow me in the cockpit if urgently required.

If you want to roll the dice just pack minis in your bag cheap a$$ pilot


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Thread starter here - wedding was great and did the non-rev option to play it safe. Chatted with the FAs a bit and when they heard why I was non-reving instead of jumpseating they hooked me up something fierce. Certificates safe another day and an excellent return on investment. :D

That makes more sense than I would expect coming from the FAA... source?

Long standing corporate knowledge. They just don't care if nonrevs drink.

If you're in the cabin, you're a nonrev. They don't care if the basis for your nonrev status is a reciprocal JS agreement. Half the airlines I jump on these days don't even issue me cockpit paperwork if there's a seat in the back, I just get a boarding pass with a seat number. Some don't even want you checking in with the crew, to minimize delays/distractions.

But the host airline may have specific policies, so I wouldn't go there unless the CA offers (or not, if you prefer).

[QUOTE=airlinegypsy;2981253]As a “jumpseater” sitting in the back am I in the crew list? Am I on duty? No. Hell im not even listed as occupying the jump seat for weight and balance purposes. Am I to refrain from alcohol in case I’m needed for something? If there’s another company pilot on board, typed on the equipment non-revving with his family and is needed to help in an emergency do you really think he’s going to be turned away because he had a cocktail?
You’ve just finished a 14hr duty period and missed your first couple of flights home and now you’ve been up for 22 hours straight. Are you really fit to be an ACM?
No booze in the back because you’re a crew member equals needing to be fit for duty if you’re occupying the jump seat.
Or use some common sense.

Or just follow the rules. If a drink is important enough to apply your common sense and violate the rule perhaps you need to look at options to reduce the importance of alcohol.

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I ask again, what rule? Specifically please.


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Airlines’ GOMs, in general, that I’ve been with for many decades, as a rule, consumption of alcohol is prohibited, if listed as an ACM, no matter the cabin or seat occupied. I can live with that. Non reving is a different story with each airline, specific, one is employed with.