Biden promises massive emission restrictions!
01-12-2021, 07:50 AM
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Biden promises massive emission restrictions!
01-12-2021, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
The 2050 goal was always nebulous and aspirational. That's not happening unless they can get the grid sorted out well in advance.
01-12-2021, 09:36 AM
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My state has a 100% renewable electricity by 2045 legislated goal.
Seems difficult since over 60% is petroleum and about 10% coal.
Living on an Island also makes air transportation critical and while aircraft keep getting more efficient, it is literally tons of fuel for a single airliner to reach here.
Seems difficult since over 60% is petroleum and about 10% coal.
Living on an Island also makes air transportation critical and while aircraft keep getting more efficient, it is literally tons of fuel for a single airliner to reach here.
01-12-2021, 10:30 AM
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I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.
01-12-2021, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.
01-12-2021, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.
regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.
01-12-2021, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
you realize the government has been subsidizing the oil and gas lobby for decades... the government "picking winners and losers" as you call it has always been going on, so I don't really understand this objection.
regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.
regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.
But the challenge is rapidly transitioning to a different system while the current one has many economic stakeholders... if you discount the stakeholders (including tens of millions of working people in the US alone) and just assume they're all going to eff off and die when their livelihoods vanish you're going to fail politically. Solutions have to account for political realities... ESPECIALLY since the problem at hand is nebulous, controversial, and very hard to define in specific terms of exactly how and when the problem will play out.
01-12-2021, 05:00 PM
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01-13-2021, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
you realize the government has been subsidizing the oil and gas lobby for decades... the government "picking winners and losers" as you call it has always been going on, so I don't really understand this objection.
Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.
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