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SonicFlyer 01-12-2021 07:50 AM

Biden promises massive emission restrictions!
 
This is not going to bode well for aviation:

https://reason.com/2021/01/12/biden-...ate-agreement/

rickair7777 01-12-2021 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3180503)
This is not going to bode well for aviation:

https://reason.com/2021/01/12/biden-...ate-agreement/

I like the 2035 grid generation goal, that will force everybody to either poop or get off pot. And they only way to get there in 14 years is with nuclear. So we'll see how serious they are in the next 3-4 years.

The 2050 goal was always nebulous and aspirational. That's not happening unless they can get the grid sorted out well in advance.

Rama 01-12-2021 09:36 AM

My state has a 100% renewable electricity by 2045 legislated goal.
Seems difficult since over 60% is petroleum and about 10% coal.
Living on an Island also makes air transportation critical and while aircraft keep getting more efficient, it is literally tons of fuel for a single airliner to reach here.

SonicFlyer 01-12-2021 10:30 AM

I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.

rickair7777 01-12-2021 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3180573)
I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.

Plus there's not enough of it to practically get where they want to go. Unless they plan on restricting travel... I guess they could make all non-business travel subject to official approval, perhaps you'd go to your neighborhood party boss for a travel pass.

furloughfuntime 01-12-2021 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3180573)
I love the idea of solar and wind power, and even driving a Tesla. But it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. It should be a result of a free market merit.

you realize the government has been subsidizing the oil and gas lobby for decades... the government "picking winners and losers" as you call it has always been going on, so I don't really understand this objection.

regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.

TransWorld 01-12-2021 03:38 PM

Wind power on the wings of an aircraft. 🤪

rickair7777 01-12-2021 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by furloughfuntime (Post 3180723)
you realize the government has been subsidizing the oil and gas lobby for decades... the government "picking winners and losers" as you call it has always been going on, so I don't really understand this objection.

regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.

That may well be.

But the challenge is rapidly transitioning to a different system while the current one has many economic stakeholders... if you discount the stakeholders (including tens of millions of working people in the US alone) and just assume they're all going to eff off and die when their livelihoods vanish you're going to fail politically. Solutions have to account for political realities... ESPECIALLY since the problem at hand is nebulous, controversial, and very hard to define in specific terms of exactly how and when the problem will play out.

Hetman 01-12-2021 05:00 PM

Read and enjoy, Comrades.

https://roanoke.com/business/local/s...9211cb193494d9

SonicFlyer 01-13-2021 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by furloughfuntime (Post 3180723)
you realize the government has been subsidizing the oil and gas lobby for decades... the government "picking winners and losers" as you call it has always been going on, so I don't really understand this objection.

They shouldn't be doing that either.


Originally Posted by furloughfuntime (Post 3180723)
regardless, the way the "free market" prices fuel externalizes the cost of carbon pollution. Just because you can get gas for 2 bucks a gallon doesn't mean there are not other costs incurred downstream. This is why people advocate carbon pricing, because it harnesses the free market to solve the problem of carbon emissions by including externalized costs in the price of fossil fuels.

Except that carbon emissions are not a real problem. It only exists as a problem in the minds of the global warming myth/hoax crowd.


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