dera

I do. I've been to the Nordic countries many times.

Are they using my tax money to take over factories and farms?
Thought so.

Hubcapped

Let me throw 2 equally idiotic, obtuse, prpoganda filled statements lapped up by good little doggies that need a pack to be part of:

Climate change doesn’t exist
Green new deal is going to save us

Chillpill

You keep saying how others don't know what socialism is, including Bernie. I thought about researching it more. But then again, there is a good chance it won't meet your standards due to any bias/misconception I may have. So instead of posting my idea of what socialism is, I'm capitulating and will flat out accept whatever your definition of socialism to be. Make it as short or long as you want. I promise no mocking, argument, or disagreement from me and will read it with an open mind to learn.

dera

I am using the classical definition of Socialism. It does not align with anything Bernie, or any other active politician is looking for.
It ain't hard.

GeeWizDriver

Actually, the Dutch government is doing EXACTLY that. They are closing down farms across the Netherlands in the name of "stopping climate change" even though Dutch farms are among the most productive per acre in all of Europe, especially in producing dairy products.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/dutch-...se-down-702874

Hubcapped

Warning: False facts

10 minutes of research on government sites clearly explained why the Dutch are trying to reduce nitrogen and ammonia production in their tiny country with farms that have 4 times the biomass per hectare.

As far as land grabs, the Dutch government currently does not have the vessel in its laws to be able to take property. There are talks of a forced buy out for farmers that live near nature preserves if the farmers aren’t willing to sell, or implement nitrogen and ammonia reduction upgrades.

They are polluting their land with cow **** ding dongs. 2/3rds of their nature preserves are already compromised.

Certainly there are aspects of climate change imbued in this, but let’s not get outraged over misleading headlines. Stay off the right wing coolaid buddy.

“They are taking the farmers land because of climate change!!! “ lolz…

Excargodog

From that right wing rag the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62335287

AN EXCERPT:Given that a third of the land is below sea level and 70% of the GDP of the country comes from that third, and 70% would flood annually in the wet season between the two major rivers and the ocean if they stopped the pumps it seems to be a little silly to talk about their “nature preserves.” The Netherlands as a country exists due to hundreds of years of engineering. If they want to go back to nature they simply have to stop the pumps and go back to being sea.


You’ve never been to the Netherlands, have you? It’s a reclaimed swamp and reclaimed seabeds, pretty much the whole country.

Don’t laugh at other people without ever having been there yourself.Or at least doing research from OTHER than government reliable sources.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DRRHXt-PA

SonicFlyer

No one is arguing that "climate change doesn't exist" .... That isn't really in dispute. Climate is dynamic and constantly changes. Volcanos, the sun, orbit shifts, etc all have an effect.

The amount of influence humans have in the process of climate change, if any at all, is what isn't currently understood.

threeighteen

How is cow **** pollution? Honestly.

Go drive by a cow pasture then go drive by a lithium mine. Then tell me which one is harming the environment and which one is regenerating the environment.

Hubcapped

Manure and fertilizer runoff the farm and permeate the water and soil. It creates a ph imbalance.

Lolz, tell me you literally can’t even track the discussion nor do research without telling me