Ukraine conflict
03-26-2023, 07:53 AM
#481
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You guys are using the term proxy war with too wide of a brush, WW-I and WW-II both started out as proxy wars by your calculus.
In professional circles proxy war implies two outside parties meddling in an internal conflict for their own benefit... Korea, 'Nam, Angola, Nicaragua, etc, etc.
Supporting friends and allies with honest good intentions is not a proxy war, even if there are associated proxy-like benefits such as discouraging future adventurism.
Also by my lights it takes two to proxy, and RU is not engaged in a proxy war, they are engaged in an invasion.
In professional circles proxy war implies two outside parties meddling in an internal conflict for their own benefit... Korea, 'Nam, Angola, Nicaragua, etc, etc.
Supporting friends and allies with honest good intentions is not a proxy war, even if there are associated proxy-like benefits such as discouraging future adventurism.
Also by my lights it takes two to proxy, and RU is not engaged in a proxy war, they are engaged in an invasion.
03-26-2023, 08:10 AM
#482
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
We don't have a border. We have two borders: Canada and Mexico. Which border are you talking about, and what is the problem with that border???
03-26-2023, 08:11 AM
#483
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's absurd.
We had no interest in fighting or suppressing RU until they invaded UR (which started in 2014, not 2022).
We had no interest in fighting or suppressing RU until they invaded UR (which started in 2014, not 2022).
WORLD NEWS
APRIL 2, 20084:46 PMUPDATED 15 YEARS AGO
5 MIN READ
BUCHAREST (Reuters) - NATO leaders promised Ukraine and Georgia on Thursday they would one day join the Western defence alliance after rebuffing U.S. demands to put the former Soviet republics on an immediate path to membership.
APRIL 2, 20084:46 PMUPDATED 15 YEARS AGO
NATO promises Ukraine, Georgia entry one day
By David Brunnstrom, Susan Cornwell5 MIN READ
BUCHAREST (Reuters) - NATO leaders promised Ukraine and Georgia on Thursday they would one day join the Western defence alliance after rebuffing U.S. demands to put the former Soviet republics on an immediate path to membership.
https://bilirakis.house.gov/media/bi...ia-and-ukraine
HOUSE PASSES RESOLUTION SUPPORTING A NATO MEMBERSHIP PLAN FOR GEORGIA AND UKRAINE
April 2, 2008Bilirakis BlogOn Tuesday, the U.S. House of Representatives passed, H. Res. 997, a resolution supporting a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) for Georgia and Ukraine. Gus, who is a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee's Subcommittee on Europe, co-sponsored the resolution and supported its passage.
On several occasions, Gus has met with officials from the Ukrainian government, including Ukraine's Ambassador to the United States, on the strategic necessity for the United States to support Ukraine's NATO MAP.
https://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/b030324e.pdf.
NATO-UKRAINE 2003 TARGET PLAN IN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE NATO-UKRAINE ACTION PLAN
03-27-2023, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Round Luggage
Why don’t A-10s get shuffled off to 🇺🇦?
That, and the fact that an A-10 is about as stealthy as a couple dozen of those radar reflectors they use on sailboats daisy chained together…
03-28-2023, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Because right now the skies over the Ukraine are sort of deadly for anything not terrain masking. And you ever try to terrain mask in a wheat field?
That, and the fact that an A-10 is about as stealthy as a couple dozen of those radar reflectors they use on sailboats daisy chained together…
That, and the fact that an A-10 is about as stealthy as a couple dozen of those radar reflectors they use on sailboats daisy chained together…
03-28-2023, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Nope. But I know how easy it is to lock up an A-10 on radar.
But IIRC, in the Fulda Gap scenarios, the A-10 had the shortest life expectancy.
03-28-2023, 07:10 PM
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Syria with a Caucasian face. A gratuitous slap in the face for western Europe, NATO and the tired satire calling itself United Nations. Not that a Chinese Communist Party gives a crap. Business is business. Where do you find those capable of launching a scud into a building full of sleeping poor people? Anywhere for a pouch of silver since 30 AD.
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