Anyone see "Oppenheimer" film?
07-26-2023, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pervis
The Japanese would have fought to the death, including women and children.
Originally Posted by Pervis
And I believe another big reason to use them was a demonstration to regimes like the Soviet Union, that they were indeed fearsome weapons and we would be willing to use them against any new aggressors.
07-26-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Only if the US government decided to invade, which was unnecessary. The Japanese government wanted to surrender.
I think the best course of action would have been to offer a live public demonstration in the south Pacific somewhere for both the Japanese and Soviet governments to see. No need to kill tens of thousands of civilians over a "demonstration."
I think the best course of action would have been to offer a live public demonstration in the south Pacific somewhere for both the Japanese and Soviet governments to see. No need to kill tens of thousands of civilians over a "demonstration."
Bill OReily, who was a historian before he became a talking head, did a good job with his book “Killing The Rising Sun”. It outlines the path that led to the decision to use them.
07-26-2023, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pervis
They wanted to surrender with concessions. Considering the brutality the Japanese demonstrated in more than a decade of war killing millions, we refused to even consider them.
07-26-2023, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Do you have a source for that?
After PH, years of war, and various atrocities in various theaters the US was simply not in the mood for half measures. It was very personal.
07-26-2023, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Which was monumentally stupid and unjust on the part of the US government (to be expected).... especially since the US government provoked the Japanese government into attacking Hawaii in the first place.
07-26-2023, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Which was monumentally stupid and unjust on the part of the US government (to be expected).... especially since the US government provoked the Japanese government into attacking Hawaii in the first place.
JPN leadership was moronic if they thought they could engage in large-scale industrial warfare without having secured the key resources to fuel that. Actually I think they got backed into a corner by their own pride. Same would have precluded unconditional surrender most likely.
07-26-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
I think the best course of action would have been to offer a live public demonstration in the south Pacific somewhere for both the Japanese and Soviet governments to see. No need to kill tens of thousands of civilians over a "demonstration."
But America was effing pizzed off in 1945, and everybodies loved ones had been coming home in body bags for four years.
Also they had very limited numbers of weapons at the time, with unknown reliability, and it's obvious that a single demo would not have been enough anyway. Hiroshima was actually the demo, and even that wasn't enough...
07-26-2023, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
No the USG did not "provoke" anything. They simply stopped selling oil to a Nazi ally who was conducting imperialist expansion by force of arms in Asia. Duh.
07-26-2023, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pervis
I suppose the invasion of Manchuria in 1931 followed soon after of China and the slaughter of innocents had nothing to do with the sanctions we imposed upon Japan.
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