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They had been working on a 797 concept small two aisle fo fill the 757ish size void around a decade ago, but eventually discontinued it.
Too bad. Used to be a big believer in Boeing having flown a few different models. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3759333)
And how many loose (or missing) bolts are acceptable in a aircraft certified to fly to 40,000 feet?
None is the answer, regardless of the manufacturer, or the aircraft model. It is, however, the wrong question. The question is whether Boeing will fall as a result of this error. The answer is no, they won't. Or over cost overruns on the modified 767 cum KC46. Or parachute softlinks and wiring shielding in the Starliner capsule.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3759333)
When they secure ( or in this case don't) a door sized opening?
Still doesn't mean Boeing will be going out of business soon. Too big to fail. Too diverse. The Max grounding following Lion and Ethopian didn't do it. A door plug won't either. A soft link won't either. KC46 delays won't, either (and they're moving forward again). Boeing is too diverse and has fingers in too many pies, and making a comparison with aircraft sales vs. Airbus in an attempt to show airbus ahead...is wrong, using the wrong metrics, when Boeing has double the sales. Stop the 737 line and go clean sheet? When sales are well in excess of their competitors and are wildly successful? No. |
Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3759328)
No airline wants to pay the cost to get a clean sheet design certified. As always, blame the government.
Boeing needs to roll out new and wow the airlines. It won't happen though. |
Originally Posted by Rama
(Post 3759350)
They had been working on a 797 concept small two aisle fo fill the 757ish size void around a decade ago, but eventually discontinued it.
Too bad. Used to be a big believer in Boeing having flown a few different models. |
Originally Posted by Beech Dude
(Post 3759574)
Not any airline's burden. It needs to be all Boeing to make and market to the airlines. GM/Ford/Audi, etc. builds to the market; they don't call you and ask what you want for your order.
Boeing needs to roll out new and wow the airlines. It won't happen though. If the customer doesn't want to pay, there's nthing to develop and sell. |
Originally Posted by Beech Dude
(Post 3759574)
Not any airline's burden. It needs to be all Boeing to make and market to the airlines. GM/Ford/Audi, etc. builds to the market; they don't call you and ask what you want for your order.
Secondly yeah, the manufacturers do actually ask the airlines what they need. They are not building hundreds of thousands or millions of planes like auto manufactuerers build cars. They are, at best, building a few thousand aircraft. The manufacturers build what the airlines want, and airlines don't want expensive jets that come with a lot higher costs. |
Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3759821)
Secondly yeah, the manufacturers do actually ask the airlines what they need. They are not building hundreds of thousands or millions of planes like auto manufactuerers build cars. They are, at best, building a few thousand aircraft. The manufacturers build what the airlines want, and airlines don't want expensive jets that come with a lot higher costs.
The very existence of the Max is testament to this... SWA said they'd buy many, many hundreds of them if it was common type with the NG. If Boeing did a clean-slate NB, it's widely understood that SWA would have considered airbus as an option since they would be forced into two fleets anyway. There have been a very few cases where the manufacturers led from the front, driven by some vision of future opportunity and a desire to be first to market. Notably the A380, which was also a bit of a Euro d!ck measuring evolution vs. the 747. We know how that turned out, Billions $ down the drain. |
Boeing AGAIN steps on their crank…
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The article has a truth problem, and little credibility as a result, but while Duckworth's comments are pure drama sky-is-falling bull ****, Boeings effort to address a nacelle overheat is likewise problematic: Boeing's intended exemption was to simply put a limitation in the flight manual requiring pilots to shut off nacelle heat after five minutes (in icing conditions). After it becamse a public issue, Boeing elected to fall back to engineer a solution.
The article's comment regarding the Ethiopan max loss is wrong, as it the assertion that the recent plug loss was a "door" that "fell off." Further, the Alaska plug loss was not a case of "the fuselage broke." It's hard to take reporting seriously when it's that flawed. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3761865)
The article has a truth problem, and little credibility as a result, but while Duckworth's comments are pure drama sky-is-falling bull ****, Boeings effort to address a nacelle overheat is likewise problematic: Boeing's intended exemption was to simply put a limitation in the flight manual requiring pilots to shut off nacelle heat after five minutes (in icing conditions). After it becamse a public issue, Boeing elected to fall back to engineer a solution.
The article's comment regarding the Ethiopan max loss is wrong, as it the assertion that the recent plug loss was a "door" that "fell off." Further, the Alaska plug loss was not a case of "the fuselage broke." It's hard to take reporting seriously when it's that flawed. 1. The perceptions of the flying public who are often just as ill-informed as the politicians. 2. The FACT that Boeing, now having recanted their request for exemption, is now STILL going to be missing their already long-delayed promised certification of the MAX 7 for another nine months and likely closer to a year and a half. |
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