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ERAUdude 01-18-2007 08:58 PM

Thanks for the suggestions crewdog, will definitely keep that in mind.

crewdog 01-18-2007 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUdude (Post 104844)
Thanks for the suggestions crewdog, will definitely keep that in mind.


You're welcome ERAUdude,


One more thing. When you do come up to the RJ you're going to feel real proud and you should be.


But remember that scene in Men in Black when Will Smith gets brought into the reception room for the first time and Rip Torn says "but I need to tell you something about all your skills. As of right now, they mean precisely... dick."

That's how we feel about new hires. Its not an insult, it's just a fact. Airline flying is completely unlike anything else you've ever done before. (During one memorable IOE the guy doubled his actual IMC time in the first 4 day trip.) It takes at least 3 months to get the up to speed, you're going to be flying in weather you've never even dreamed of going up in, and put in situations that will strain your body and mind with lousy food, short sleep periods, and high stress periods followed by hours of boredom. We really didn't consider a new FO broken in until they'd been with the company well over a year and seen all the seasons.


Be Humble. You're going to make a LOT of mistakes when you come up. We expect it. When you mess up Confess, Communicate, Comply, Fix It. Try to figure out what went wrong and how to avoid it the next time. Talk with your Captains and other FOs about what they've done right and wrong and share your good and bad. Real pilots don't tell stories how good they are, they make fun of how bad they did so others can learn.


You're also gonna absolutley love it.

Pooch 01-18-2007 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Noonan (Post 19002)
Don't buy the time, there are a ton of entry level jobs out there! You will find something, keep up the spirits.

I looked for a long time and didn't find any multi-engine entry level jobs. They aren't there. People won't hire you to fly a twin with nothing but a multi-engine certificate...You have to have some multi time to get a job to build more time. And the only way to get started building some decent hours (unless you know someone who owns a twin) is to pay for it. Or, go to Vegas and do some Canyon hopping, like those guys suggested.

Ewfflyer 01-18-2007 10:16 PM

Ride along with a 135 outfit. Ours lets' people ride along, log the 91 legs. Do well enough I'll let'm sit left-seat as I watch like a hawk as they screw everything up, but it's good experience! Just find a local operator, especially the freight guys, and ask if they allow ride-alongs/co-pilots. Not to mention this is where the "Getting Connections" game really starts coming into play!

RedGuy 01-19-2007 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 104863)
I looked for a long time and didn't find any multi-engine entry level jobs. They aren't there. People won't hire you to fly a twin with nothing but a multi-engine certificate...You have to have some multi time to get a job to build more time. And the only way to get started building some decent hours (unless you know someone who owns a twin) is to pay for it. Or, go to Vegas and do some Canyon hopping, like those guys suggested.

That's not true, I only had 12 hours multi and 800hrs total when I got an IFR 135 SIC job. Your just looking in the wrong places.

ERAUdude 01-23-2007 11:56 AM

One more thing about the multiengine.net outfit, you buy the time from them and they give you the route to fly. It is pipeline patrol, my buddy got 230 hours in about 6 months working there.

ERJ135 01-23-2007 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by crewdog (Post 104848)

Be Humble. You're going to make a LOT of mistakes when you come up. We expect it. When you mess up Confess, Communicate, Comply, Fix It. Try to figure out what went wrong and how to avoid it the next time. Talk with your Captains and other FOs about what they've done right and wrong and share your good and bad. Real pilots don't tell stories how good they are, they make fun of how bad they did so others can learn.


You're also gonna absolutley love it.


Its funny I have been doing 121 now a little while and amazed at some of the dumb mistakes I have made. You kinda feel like a student pilot again. Its a good feeling though. Captains have shared some good stories of past mistakes and how not make them again.

Pooch 01-26-2007 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by RedGuy (Post 105096)
That's not true, I only had 12 hours multi and 800hrs total when I got an IFR 135 SIC job. Your just looking in the wrong places.

Please enlighten us. Where are all these companies that will hire low-time pilots with a dozen multi hours? Who did you get a job with?

BoredwLife 01-26-2007 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by crewdog (Post 104848)
Airline flying is completely unlike anything else you've ever done before. (During one memorable IOE the guy doubled his actual IMC time in the first 4 day trip.)


I was laughed at in my interview when I told them that I only had 2.4 actual instrument hours. I was one of those that tripled my instrument time on my first trip of IOE! HAHAHA

Enjoy it!

Ewfflyer 01-26-2007 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 108427)
Please enlighten us. Where are all these companies that will hire low-time pilots with a dozen multi hours? Who did you get a job with?

Most likely a 135 freight op(Like my company). You'll build some time on the 91 legs of your "Training." I had 40 for example(1400tt)


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