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What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.
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Originally Posted by flyBry
(Post 519031)
What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.
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Originally Posted by flyBry
(Post 519031)
What exactly does the "heavy" after the call sign, mean? I have an educated guess, but I'd rather hear it from the pro's. And no, I will not just google it.
It means an aircraft with a takeoff weight above 255,000 lbs. |
why do you ask? and no i will not just google it
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Thanks Diver, that's the answer I was looking for.
It just seems like when ever I ask a question on here, there is always someone that says: you could have just googled it. Well, you can google everything... whats the point of having a forum then? Thanks for the answer though. |
Resons...
FlyBry:
I'm trying to remember if this is done ICAO-wide, or just in the US. Been too long since I've flown International or on a heavy. Regardless, the intent is to inform other aircraft on-frequency that the aircraft is likely to have very strong wake vortices. ATC should provide adequate separation, but pilots are allowed to ask for additional separation. The B-757 has probably the worst vortex of any airliner, and models that do not meet the 255,000 lb weight category are still called "Heavy" on the radio. |
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 519078)
FlyBry:
I'm trying to remember if this is done ICAO-wide, or just in the US. Been too long since I've flown International or on a heavy. The B-757 has probably the worst vortex of any airliner, and models that do not meet the 255,000 lb weight category are still called "Heavy" on the radio. Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center. CAL 757-200's are 255,000lbs, but do not use "heavy"? Different airlines have different weights/models. The 757-300's are heavy. |
Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center.
Not true in Canada. |
Guess it's not much for the sake of the controller as it is for the trailing Cessna :p
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Originally Posted by flyBry
(Post 519050)
It just seems like when ever I ask a question on here, there is always someone that says: you could have just googled it.
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
(Post 519091)
Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center.
2-4-14. WORDS AND PHRASES a. Use the words or phrases in radiotelephone and interphone communication as contained in the P/CG or, within areas where Controller Pilot Data Link Communications (CPDLC) is in use, the phraseology contained in the applicable CPDLC message set. b. The word “heavy” shall be used as part of the identification of heavy jet aircraft as follows: TERMINAL. In all communications with or about heavy jet aircraft. EN ROUTE. The use of the word heavy may be omitted except as follows: 1. In communications with a terminal facility about heavy jet operations. 2. In communications with or about heavy jet aircraft with regard to an airport where the en route center is providing approach control service. 3. In communications with or about heavy jet aircraft when the separation from a following aircraft may become less than 5 miles by approved procedure. 4. When issuing traffic advisories. EXAMPLE- “United Fifty-Eight Heavy.” NOTEMost airlines will use the word “heavy” following the company prefix and flight number when establishing communications or when changing frequencies within a terminal facility's area. 5. When in radio communications with “Air Force One” or “Air Force Two,” do not add the heavy designator to the call sign. State only the call sign “Air Force One/Two” regardless of the type aircraft. |
When I'm at home, I follow my conversations with "heavy" just to let my wife know I need some extra space. She usually passes this on to others who might not know the strange communication. Sometimes my disposition is such that even with the extra spacing, upsets occur... Oh well, what can you do?
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Originally Posted by blastoff
(Post 519320)
The Regs do not specify this for pilots. It's just style points that most of us don't say it on center since there is good separation at Center altitudes. I have had US Center Controllers call me "Heavy" at altitude, even when it didn't match the exceptions in their Regs
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Awesome, thanks guys. I was listening to ATC, at: "liveatc.net" and heard "heavy" after a few transmissions. I kinda figured it meant a certain weight and/or carrying cargo. But like I said, I wanted to ask the pros and not google. Now I know! thanks again guys.:D
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
(Post 519091)
I fly international and we do not use "heavy" outside the USA. It seems the foreign controllers are smart enough to read the strips in front of them?
Also, many don't know or care, but you only use "heavy" in the call sign on tower and approach, not center. CAL 757-200's are 255,000lbs, but do not use "heavy"? Different airlines have different weights/models. The 757-300's are heavy. |
Its more than just doing other aircraft on the freq a favor.
ATC is required to maintain minimum distances between aircraft in different phases of flight for wake turbulence avoidance. The best place to reference the info would be the JO7110.65. The controllers bible. 4 miles sep. behind a large 5 miles sep. behind 757 (757-200 has its own distance minima) 6 miles sep. behind heavy As you can see, and as UAL briefly pointed out, the 752 is a unique case where it does not meet heavy weight minima, but due to its very strong wake turbulence generation, an additional mile (for 5 total miles) is added to the distance of aircraft in trail behind a 752. (I had two final exams today, one in tower ops, and one in tracon ops... its still fresh..... for the moment. :cool:) |
Originally Posted by flyandive
(Post 520484)
I do believe an aircraft is a heavy if it is greater than 255,000 lbs MGTOW but since the 757-200 is exactly 255,000 lbs it is not a heavy. Go Figure. :rolleyes: The 757-300 is 272,500 lbs so it does qualify.
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Originally Posted by Toejam
(Post 520253)
When I'm at home, I follow my conversations with "heavy" just to let my wife know I need some extra space. She usually passes this on to others who might not know the strange communication. Sometimes my disposition is such that even with the extra spacing, upsets occur... Oh well, what can you do?
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