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Boomer 03-24-2009 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by ImEbee (Post 584277)
I thought CRV data was not to be used in dicipinary action. Perhaps Europe is different.

Europe is different, but don't worry. It won't be different for much longer... :mad:

freezingflyboy 03-24-2009 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 584324)
If that would have happened in the United States, it would have gone one of two ways:

#1: Christian praying - life sentence
#2: Muslim praying - we can't get in the way of that! no charges, job kept

Christian prayer, Muslim prayer, Hindu prayer...doesn't matter. Can that crap and fly the damn airplane!!! You pray on your own time. When you're in the front office, the buck stops with you.

xjsaab 03-24-2009 06:17 PM

actually all you right wingers will be happy the ACLU is suing a charter school up here in MN for invoking the muslim faith in the school system and taking govt funding. It goes both ways. Either religion will get you nothing, a checklist will always give you a fighting chance. Religion, a crutch for the weak minded.

ppilot 03-24-2009 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 584324)
If that would have happened in the United States, it would have gone one of two ways:

#1: Christian praying - life sentence
#2: Muslim praying - we can't get in the way of that! no charges, job kept


Maybe you're joking. But if not, all I can say is 'Boo-Hoo! The poor persecuted Christians in this country!' :)

USMCFLYR 03-24-2009 07:12 PM


Religion, a crutch for the weak minded.

The poor persecuted Christians in this country!'
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Planespotta 03-24-2009 07:33 PM

FAILED ENGINE CHECKLIST

MIXTURE . . . . . . . . . . . IDLE CUTOFF
TRANSPONDER . . . . 7700
HAIL MARY . . . . . . . . RECITED


To quote Yeager:

You’re stupid if you get frightened because it interferes with you working your way out of the situation. That’s the way I’ve lived. A while back I was on the Hour of Power Sunday morning TV show, and Reverend Schuller asked me: When you’re up in an airplane and something goes wrong, do you pray to God? And I said, “No, God can’t help me. I have to do it myself.” The reverend just rolled his eyes.

atpwannabe 03-24-2009 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 584323)
Sounds like the Tunisair ATR that crashed in the med a few years back (2005?).

I remember hearing the black box tapes and for the last 5 minutes straight they were running checks and/or trying to restart, for the last minute occasionally one of them would say something like "god help me", so I don't see where they would have been "praying" and "panicking".


Gotta agree.

I think that when we've done all that we can do in any given situation and things are deteriorating quickly, especially when one's life is at risk, in most cases we as humans call on a Power greater than ourselves.




atp

Planespotta 03-24-2009 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by atpwannabe (Post 584497)
Gotta agree.

I think that when we've done all that we can do in any given situation and things are deteriorating quickly, especially when one's life is at risk, in most cases we as humans call on a Power greater than ourselves.

atp

But I think that's the catch - the pilot didn't do all he could do. If he had prayed and landed successfully, he wouldn't be in trouble, but instead of trying to make a runway, he freaked out and handed the airplane over to his first officer, according to an Italian news source. The plane crash-landed.

Roper92 03-24-2009 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by xjsaab (Post 584418)
actually all you right wingers will be happy the ACLU is suing a charter school up here in MN for invoking the muslim faith in the school system and taking govt funding. It goes both ways. Either religion will get you nothing, a checklist will always give you a fighting chance. Religion, a crutch for the weak minded.

Both ways, I know you didn't type that with a straight face. I guess they get one right every once in a while.

Roper92 03-24-2009 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by ppilot (Post 584427)
Maybe you're joking. But if not, all I can say is 'Boo-Hoo! The poor persecuted Christians in this country!' :)

Yes I'm joking! Of course the pilots should be running checklists and troubleshooting and doing everything they possibly can to save the aircraft/passengers.


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