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N118NW 05-29-2009 07:11 AM

Overrun @ St. Barts - Anyone see this yet?
 
crash SBH on Vimeo

wrxpilot 05-29-2009 08:48 AM

Wow, that's was pretty crazy. Thanks for finding that.

Outlaw2097 05-29-2009 08:54 AM

thats some excellent commentary from the guy as well

AmericanEagleFO 05-29-2009 09:00 AM

"That kind of........ blows"
Someone should tell him you aim for the first thousand foot markers, not the second.

Squawk_5543 05-29-2009 09:57 AM

what an idiot for continuing to try to land 3/4 of the way down the runway.

HectorD 05-29-2009 10:24 AM

Not only does the idiot land 3/4 down the runway like Squawk_5543 says but he just stand on the wing, completely disregarding the possibility the thing might blow up.

wrxpilot 05-29-2009 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by HectorD (Post 619049)
Not only does the idiot land 3/4 down the runway like Squawk_5543 says but he just stand on the wing, completely disregarding the possibility the thing might blow up.

Why would it blow up?

FlyingChipmunk 05-29-2009 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 619108)
Why would it blow up?

All airplanes blow up when they crash.. Didn't you know that..

Outlaw2097 05-30-2009 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk (Post 619109)
All airplanes blow up when they crash

Only when Michael Bay is within 50 feet of an airport.

For further proof, I recommend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRS90V8BQGo

AmericanEagleFO 05-30-2009 03:15 PM

Hahahahaha. "geez tell the whole theater why don't ya!"

Planespotta 05-30-2009 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Outlaw2097 (Post 619596)
Only when Michael Bay is within 50 feet of an airport.

For further proof, I recommend YouTube - Robot Chicken: Baysplosions!!!

HAHAH!

On a more serious note, was that the first "crash" at SBH?

Dubes 05-31-2009 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 619108)
Why would it blow up?

If the fuel is stored in the wing, and that wing snaps, there could be a fire, (I seriously doubt Jet A or 100 LL explodes; it more or less burns).

That was definitely some improper decision-making in the cockpit..

JayDee 05-31-2009 10:32 AM

Im not going to say it was all the pilots fault... There was no sound for me when i played it, so I didnt hear any of the conversation...


Was there something wrong with the plane, that may have put him in a land or land situation...


To quote a movie, "Yea we are going to land alright!, But the word is Crash!"

Anyone know the whole story behind that, or is it just a viral video one of you guys drummed up on the internet.

USMCFLYR 05-31-2009 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by JayDee (Post 620029)
Im not going to say it was all the pilots fault... There was no sound for me when i played it, so I didnt hear any of the conversation...


Was there something wrong with the plane, that may have put him in a land or land situation...


To quote a movie, "Yea we are going to land alright!, But the word is Crash!"

Anyone know the whole story behind that, or is it just a viral video one of you guys drummed up on the internet.

The second time I played it I heard the sound track - it was just the guy filming commenting. Of course there could have been extenuating circumstances It could also have been exactly what it **looks** like - a poor approach to a landing, what looks like a badly timed flare, followed by an extensive float, a headwork error not to go around, and a final ending in the sand.
In any case - we should all put ourselves in a similar situation and decide how s/he would have handled the situation differently and maybe such a thing won't happen to us!

USMCFLYR

JayDee 05-31-2009 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 620059)
The second time I played it I heard the sound track - it was just the guy filming commenting. Of course there could have been extenuating circumstances It could also have been exactly what it **looks** like - a poor approach to a landing, what looks like a badly timed flare, followed by an extensive float, a headwork error not to go around, and a final ending in the sand.
In any case - we should all put ourselves in a similar situation and decide how s/he would have handled the situation differently and maybe such a thing won't happen to us!

USMCFLYR

Very true... I still dont have sound....


It is a very poor decision. To land that is. If in fact it was just an out right bad decision. I would still like to see the rest of the back story...

Photon 05-31-2009 03:01 PM

could've been so easily avoided...

EvilGN 05-31-2009 04:37 PM

slowing the vid down you see the wind socked pegged, thats probably the reason for why he choose to land that direction, but that hill leads me to believe I would never WANT to land that direction, i assume that hill doesn't meet any type of 50ft obstacle clearance limits

supersix-4 05-31-2009 05:00 PM

He's also landing downhill.

elcid88 05-31-2009 05:00 PM

Too bad he couldn't make the "high-speed" at the end of the runway!:rolleyes:

HectorD 05-31-2009 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk (Post 619109)
All airplanes blow up when they crash.. Didn't you know that..

HAHA very funny. I never heard staying with the aircraft after a crash was what you where supposed to do. But if I knew the plane still had fuel I would be half way down the field by then. But thats just me.

HectorD 05-31-2009 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Dubes (Post 619903)
If the fuel is stored in the wing, and that wing snaps, there could be a fire, (I seriously doubt Jet A or 100 LL explodes; it more or less burns).

That was definitely some improper decision-making in the cockpit..

didn't know that.

YouTube - Top Secret! - Pinto scene
:D:D

wrxpilot 05-31-2009 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Dubes (Post 619903)
If the fuel is stored in the wing, and that wing snaps, there could be a fire, (I seriously doubt Jet A or 100 LL explodes; it more or less burns).

That was definitely some improper decision-making in the cockpit..

So were you there, as an eye witness to the wing snapping off?

Apparently you and I weren't looking at the same video, because the one I was looking at didn't show a wing snapping off.

The pilot of this airplane obviously made a hell of a bad decision to not push the go levers forward after floating more than 1/3 down the runway. But we don't know what he was doing on the wing. Perhaps he was helping passengers evacuate, who knows. I don't, and I seriously doubt anybody here does either.

HectorD 05-31-2009 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 620294)
So were you there, as an eye witness to the wing snapping off?

Apparently you and I weren't looking at the same video, because the one I was looking at didn't show a wing snapping off.

The pilot of this airplane obviously made a hell of a bad decision to not push the go levers forward after floating more than 1/3 down the runway. But we don't know what he was doing on the wing. Perhaps he was helping passengers evacuate, who knows. I don't, and I seriously doubt anybody here does either.

Sometimes the wing just rips a bit from the bottom and fuel starts leaking out. I have heard that on a mooney for example its critical because it has a "wet wing", instead of being on a bladder (or something like that). I don't know much about the Aztec though.

CrimsonEclipse 05-31-2009 08:30 PM

Came in fast, REAL fast.
Notice the wind sock on the felt side? (and hear the wind)
Also notice the flaps, they were never retracted after touchdown.
May not have saved the plane, but might have helped.

Terrain, winds coming over the hill causing turbulence, might have made the pilot nervous so he added a few knots (like 20) and unfamiliarity with the airport. He was at idle when he passed the camera.

A go around was in order. That much was obvious.

Dubes 05-31-2009 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 620294)
So were you there, as an eye witness to the wing snapping off?

Apparently you and I weren't looking at the same video, because the one I was looking at didn't show a wing snapping off.

The pilot of this airplane obviously made a hell of a bad decision to not push the go levers forward after floating more than 1/3 down the runway. But we don't know what he was doing on the wing. Perhaps he was helping passengers evacuate, who knows. I don't, and I seriously doubt anybody here does either.

I'm not implying I saw a wing snap in the video, I am just pointing out that if the wing was filled with fuel, there could be a hazardous situation. I wrote that comment in response to a query concerning the dangers involved when standing on a wing, (especially after an incident).

wrxpilot 06-01-2009 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Dubes (Post 620378)
I'm not implying I saw a wing snap in the video, I am just pointing out that if the wing was filled with fuel, there could be a hazardous situation. I wrote that comment in response to a query concerning the dangers involved when standing on a wing, (especially after an incident).

Since you and I weren't there, it's pretty silly to make a judgment about whether it was a good idea to be standing on the wing or not. That was a pretty quick deceleration once he got off the runway. For all we know, a pax was hurt and he was helping them evacuate.

Ewfflyer 06-01-2009 07:18 AM

Those video's are freaking hilarious!

You guys need to chill out about who's right/wrong. It happened, until it's you we can't all arm-chair QB this one.

CrimsonEclipse 06-01-2009 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ewfflyer (Post 620520)
Those video's are freaking hilarious!

You guys need to chill out about who's right/wrong. It happened, until it's you we can't all arm-chair QB this one.

Since we werent' there, ALL we can do is Arm-Chair QB.

CE


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