USMCFLYR

Sorry you disagree with the program. It worked fine for me. I traded in that 4.6L V-8 with a 18 mpg for a car that gets better gas mileage and scores a 9 and a 7 on those environmentally sensitive programs, plus my car has that CA Partial Zero Vehicle Emissions (PZEV) thing that makes it incredibly clean to burn (for a car). Certainly the greeniest car I've ever owned. I'd be much more interested in my tax dollars paying for this program than the one I heard about on the news this morning where they spent $77 BILLION over 5 years on protecting some insect species or something equally ridiculous!

USMCFLYR

Flying Low

I agree the program might not be a waste of money, but I don't know if it really means another gas guzzler off the road. I think the motors of cars are destroyed but the rest of the car can be salvaged for parts. Your 4.6 is off the road but someone else's is going to be on the road for that much longer.

Congratulations on the new ride. I've been hearing a few stories about long-term maintainence on Subarus being somewhat expensive and troublesome but should be fine through warranty and a few years after that.

Flying Low

Appendix B to Part 599 - Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program
Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program
THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE VEHICLE OWNER
Perform the following procedure to disable the vehicle engine.
Since the vehicle will not be drivable after this procedure is performed,
consider where the procedure will be performed and how the vehicle
will be moved after the procedure is complete.
1. Obtain solution of 40% sodium silicate/60% water. (The Sodium Silicate
(SiO2/Na2O) used in the solution must have a weight ratio of 3.0 or greater.)
2. Drain engine oil for environmentally appropriate disposal.
3. Install the oil drain plug.
4. Pour enough solution in the engine through the oil fill for the oil pump to
circulate the solution throughout the engine. Start by adding 2 quarts of the
solution, which should be sufficient in most cases.
CAUTION: Wear goggles and gloves. Appropriate protective clothing
should be worn to prevent silicate solution from coming into contact with the
skin.
5. Replace the oil fill cap.
6. Start the engine.
7. Run engine at approximately 2000 rpm (for safety reasons do not operate at
high rpm) until the engine stops. (Typically the engine will operate for 3 to 7
minutes. As the solution starts to affect engine operation, the operator will
have to apply more throttle to keep the engine at 2000 rpm.)
8. Allow the engine to cool for at least 1 hour.
9. With the battery at full charge or with auxiliary power to provide
the power of
a fully charged battery, attempt to start the engine.
10. If the engine will not operate at idle, the procedure is complete.
11. If the engine will operate at idle, repeat steps 6 through 10
until the engine
will no longer idle.
12. Attach a label to the engine that legibly states the following:
This engine is from a vehicle that is part of the Car Allowance Rebate
System (CARS). It has significant internal damage caused by operating
the engine with a sodium silicate solution (liquid glass) instead of oil.

beautiful, huh?

USMCFLYR

You are correct about the salvage. The company who gets tagged with the salvage can rescue certain parts of the vehicle - EXCEPT for the engine and the drive-train. Those can never be resued. The dealer told me that he was required to pour something down the engine - obviously to disable it in some way. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the highlighted sentence above. My only point was that I traded in my "guzzler" for a more efficient car. A win in my book. I'll miss the roar of my V-8, but we'll see how the gas bill replaces that yearning

I've never loked at a Subaru before. When I was younger and spending some time up in the northeast - I noticed a lot of people seem to love them - AWD I guess. Over the last few days when I was telling people that I got a new Subaru, many have mentioned that their family members or friends have one and how much they love them. they seem to be a niche group that is VERY loyal to the brand - sort of like Mac users. One thing that I did look at on the net was the Edmunds TCO (True Cost to Own) worksheet (some level of pushing the I believe button is required).
the competitor for my business this time around was a Hyundai Santa Fe SE. The TCO (which takes into account about 5-6 different categories) was over $5,000 more expensive over that 5 year period.
I hope the Subaru is a dependable car. I drove that Mustang for 11 years (almost to the day) and for 130,590 miles and never had a maintenance problem on the car! The Forester has some big shoes to fill!!

USMCFLYR

USMCFLYR

MY POOR MUSTANG!

USMCFLYR

11Fan

It would have been more humane for that pony to just put a bullet through the block.

Flying Low

I admit I'm not completely informed on what happens to the drivetrain in this program but with modern motors, internal motor failure is one of the last things to take a car off the road, as I'm sure you know. I'm suggesting that a lot of the bits are going to get recycled into the parts supply and other old cars will stay on the road just a bit longer. I know a fair amount about the auto body/rebuilding industry and in some states people are allowed to rebuild pretty much anything around a firewall and VIN#.

Hope I didn't sound critical. congratulations once again.

USMCFLYR

No....not at all. Now I understand what you meant. Some part of the Mustang might get resold and allow someone else to keep their "clunker" running longer You're right; but I can't fix the world.....only do my small part to help it along. Like I said in another post - - -for this old Marine to have gone somewhat Granola is a big step! Hey - at least I've NEVER like "adjusting gross weight" and prefer to turn Jet A into noise!

USMCFLYR

GunshipGuy

As is the case with many things the government gets its hands into this will probably come back to hurt dealers and/or the auto industry. If you're tempted to buy in a year, but don't have to don't you think the thought that this program may come up again at some point enter your mind thus giving you incentive to hold off from buying? Hope this thread doesn't get shut down for touching on politics which is in violation of the TOS.

USMCFLYR

As long as someone doesn't turn it into some sort of partisan debate then it won't be a problem Talk about the PROGRAM if you wish.

USMCFLYR