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Twin Wasp 08-24-2009 08:08 AM

Southern Airways tried putting a Nine on a road, worked pretty good till they hit the gas station.

ufgatorpilot 08-24-2009 08:38 AM

This is a pretty good article on it.

Can I Land On That?

Nortonious 08-24-2009 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 667218)
Wonder what the lift to glide ratio is for an F-16? That's a single engine bird and it would have to be a fairly low ratio, I am guessing 6 to one. I am sure they are trained to think fast at low altitude in those airplanes when the engine quits. Most other jets you have two engines so it's not as much of a possibility to lose both, although it does happen.

Pretty good guess. The classic answer is 1 NM per 1,000 ft AGL (or 6:1 as you guessed). A completely clean jet is actually a little closer to 8.5:1, but it's best to err to the conservative for some non-jettisonable stores, etc cuz landing in a field is not really an option (the 16 is F-16 is not derived from any 4x4 capabilities).

USMCFLYR 08-24-2009 02:20 PM

So.........you're going to land on a road.
Do you land WITH traffic or AGAINST traffic (let's assume it is light to light-moderate)? In the article posted above the video shows one successful emergency landing while flying with the flow of traffic. Who has opinions on this? Please share!

USMCFLYR

tomgoodman 08-24-2009 02:36 PM

Taca 110
 
TACA pilots deadsticked a 737 onto a batture (narrow grass strip alongside a levee, not the levee itself) near MSY. Boeing test pilots flew it out.

TACA Flight 110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are pictures; the photographer was a different "Tom":

Taca 737 On New Orleans Levee (pic) — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

WalkOfShame 08-24-2009 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 667661)
So.........you're going to land on a road.
Do you land WITH traffic or AGAINST traffic (let's assume it is light to light-moderate)? In the article posted above the video shows one successful emergency landing while flying with the flow of traffic. Who has opinions on this? Please share!

USMCFLYR


Definitely WITH traffic. Nothing like a textbook power-off approach and touchdown just in time to be killed in a head-on collision with a car. In all seriousness, IF I had the choice, I would probably land with traffic. We all know that its never our choice when something like this happens. I always teach my students the rules of three: Aviate, navigate, communicate, and trim, Trim, TRIM!

USMCFLYR 08-24-2009 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by WalkOfShame (Post 667677)
Definitely WITH traffic. Nothing like a textbook power-off approach and touchdown just in time to be killed in a head-on collision with a car. In all seriousness, IF I had the choice, I would probably land with traffic. We all know that its never our choice when something like this happens. I always teach my students the rules of three: Aviate, navigate, communicate, and trim, Trim, TRIM!

Great points. So you would rather have to maneuver around the traffic that might not see you coming from behind than HOPE that the cars see you coming and can get out of your way. I would tend to agree. the article above also speaks to getting the call out and maybe having the police/LE block off traffic for a particular section of road. I remember an occassion from many years ago when that exact circumstance happened and the small GA had enough altitude and time for the LE to get into position.

USMCLFYR

WalkOfShame 08-24-2009 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 667684)
Great points. So you would rather have to maneuver around the traffic that might not see you coming from behind than HOPE that the cars see you coming and can get out of your way. I would tend to agree. the article above also speaks to getting the call out and maybe having the police/LE block off traffic for a particular section of road. I remember an occassion from many years ago when that exact circumstance happened and the small GA had enough altitude and time for the LE to get into position.

USMCLFYR


Never thought about calling ahead to try and block the road. Not a bad idea if your up high enough I suppose.

rickair7777 08-24-2009 11:43 PM

You DEFINITELY don't want to go head on...most cars will crush you like a beer can. If you hit a vintage VW bug, it will be an even match.

Land with the traffic, with luck you can fit in behind the folks in front of you, and the people behind you will hit the brakes. If you do hit a car, you will have less relative velocity.

ASpilot2be 08-24-2009 11:48 PM

Speaking of this.

My friend was practicing emergency procedures for his PPL checkride. He chose the only suitable landing spot which was a road. But standing right in the middle of the road was a big ol' moose.:D


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