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jdsavage 06-21-2006 07:54 PM

Just looked it up in my old commercial PTS book, steep turns 50 +-5

poppa2trolls 06-22-2006 04:34 AM

>60 degrees bank... >30 degrees pitch... must have chute(s)...

SharkyBN584 06-22-2006 07:14 AM

I think that was just a joke about the FAA...

Pilotpip 06-22-2006 08:55 AM

Hey Crashman,

Was that a joke? Because if it was, I don't get it but would like to laugh along with you about it.

Crashman 06-22-2006 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
I think that was just a joke about the FAA...

They're a bunch of wimps.:cool:

Uncle Bose 06-22-2006 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by calcapt
Steve:

Airplanes could turn using only rudder much like a boat in the water; however, an airplane moves around three axis' and the comfort of the passengers and efficiency of operation requires coordination of all three - Roll, Pitch and Yaw. If you were to turn only using rudder and no aileron the passengers in the back would feel like they were being swung on the end of a rope and other undesirable characteristics would also present themselves but the story gets too long to tell. Suffice to say that the present system provides the most comfort to passengers and has less of a chance of spilling the captains coffee. Good question though!

It wouldn't work like a boat. You need the bank to develop the centripetal force (horizontal component of lift) which causes the airplane to deviate from a straight path.

calcapt 06-22-2006 07:57 PM

thanks
 

Originally Posted by Uncle Bose
It wouldn't work like a boat. You need the bank to develop the centripetal force (horizontal component of lift) which causes the airplane to deviate from a straight path.

I am very aware of the question and the answer. I tried to keep the response SIMPLE to avoid a dissertation on physics. Airplanes will turn without ailerons, and if you want to get into physics we can go there but don't plan to overcomplicate the basic question.

Uncle Bose 06-22-2006 09:07 PM

I know you can turn without ailerons, but attempting to turn with rudder alone will still produce the bank necessary to generate the turning force. No bank, no turn.

calcapt 06-22-2006 09:28 PM

We'll leave it at that!

steveFL 06-23-2006 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by calcapt
We'll leave it at that!

Well put, I got my answer. So, let's leave it at that.:D


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