Mesabah

I do find it amusing that the left spent the last decade calling Mueller a war criminal for lying us into the Iraq war. However, now he is the savior of the west. I'd still like to know how Putin got Hillary to rig the primary against Bernie, so he could carry out his diabolical plan of subverting the election.

I do agree Hillary was robbed, that's why I'm the biggest supporter of her running again in 2020..#ItsHerTurnAgain

Flytolive

That's right. Let it all out. I bet that feels good even if it bears no resemblance to reality much like many of your assertions about global climate change. But at least you are not a complete denier to you are way above average for your gang.

Mesabah

There are tapes. What's your version of reality might I ask?

Flytolive

That's all you've got? That's downright quaint.

MaxQ

Hi Tom,
Modest steps is indeed the absolute best I hope for.
It's why I wrote that I expect mankind to do nothing to mitigate the increase in carbon emitted.

Taking the steps required would involve great economic hardship and suffering. It is conceivable we would have to remake the worlds economy.

Not taking the steps required will eventually cause great economic hardships and suffering, possibly to the point of a massive die off. As I mentioned, how this will play out is impossible to predict. What the time period will be and how fast it occurs I wouldn't hazard an opinion. But as Scotty used to say.."Captain, I can't change the laws of physics".
Nature is indifferent to what we wish for.

We are indeed riding the tiger and everything we do, or don't do, has a downside.

Fdxlag2

So if we do everything you want to do you can guarantee no more ice ages. Sign me up.

Mesabah

Even if we burn every drop of oil, there won't be enough to cause a feedback loop that results in runaway greenhouse effect. These fears are way overblown for political reasons. Our evolutionary branch in history happened when CO2 concentration was ~2000ppm, today it's ~400ppm.

badflaps

I personally saw a platoon of "Spetznaz" getting out the vote in MKE.

Mesabah

Trump will probably be fined for breaking campaign laws during the election, Obama had to pay out $375,000 for similar issues. I think Trump will likely get a $250K fine, mostly over the porn star donations.
The RNC however, is going to take a hit for colluding with Wikileaks. The first leak to go to wikileaks was from files download from the DNC. On Facebook, a picture was posted of people working in the DNC office, with the login and password posted on the wall behind them. The second breach, the Guciffer hack, was a phishing email where John Podesta gave his password, which was p@ssword, to the Russians.

Hillary's emails were never released, however, the FBI did state the Chinese blind copied the server, so the SAPs on her server did get out, which is a felony. Anyone else would be serving years in prison for the same thing, but no prosecutor in their right mind would charge Hillary.

MaxQ

Hi Mesabah,
Greetings to Da Range.

Will respond as you might have a few facts wrong (as I probably do as well) you seem to at least think about some things.


Don't know where you got that 2000 ppm CO2 number from, but NASA website sys its in error.CO2 hasn't been above 400ppm for at least 800,000 yrs and Scientific study in 2009 puts it at 10 to 15 million yrs ago.

It has been below 300 ppm since beginning of what we call civilization and has only started to climb since industrial age.

I agree that runaway global warming is unlikely, though some models can show extremes with feedbacks from methane and other sources.They are acknowleged as highly unlikely.

It probably wouldn't take a venus type runaway to destroy civilization as we know it.
First from NASA web site citing a 2014 climate study.

Delta temps from 1861-1880.

less 450ppm less + 2 degrees c

500 ppm = +2

720-1000 ppm greater than or equal +3
Greater than 1000 ppm greater than a 4 Degree Celcius increase.
Without any mitigations to current trends in carbon emissions we are on track to exceed 1000 ppm before year 2100.
Can humans survive that? Of course they can. But not as we live now, nor where we live now. There would be vast changes in where deserts are. Vast changes in where agriculture is sustainable. Vast changes in water supplies.People will be migrating, as humans have for thousands of years. But now wherever they migrate to, someone else is already there. Wonder how well that's going to work out?
There is no way with the loss of croplands and probable collapse of societies that we will not have a massive mortality rate.

Since everything, and I mean everything, is connected, events will occur that we can't predict. Wars are almost a certainty World wide economic collapse?Depends how fast these changes occur. Huge famines? Probably.

I could go on, but you get the idea. It won't take global warming runaway to cause immense chaos and suffering.

NASA has a bunch of pretty smart people. I don't think they live in a fantasy world nor indulge in wishful thinking.These are their projections.
Its a pretty grim future for our descendants should mankind continue with business as usual.