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Planespotta 12-14-2009 11:01 AM

Thanks for posting that! Airspeed is life!
My uncle had the privilege of flying on the shuttle 5 times . . . he told me that when they entered the atmosphere and passed through the high cloud layers, they were still going 17,500 mph. The clouds shooting by outside really gave a tremendous feeling of speed, and it was the only time he could really appreciate just how fast 25 times the speed of sound felt.

AZFlyer 12-14-2009 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 727033)
I think apollo 13 holds the all-time speed record for manned vehicles, it came back faster than normal for obvious reasons.

However, speed in deep space really has nothing to with the design of the vehicle...with zero drag you are only limited by how much fuel you can carry (until you approach the speed of light). For that reason it's fair to include the shuttle, since it has to actually fly in the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds...not trivial airframe engineering.

I'll disagree on the basis of technicality. The shuttle never leaves the atmosphere by definition, in that the altitude that it orbits is within the Thermosphere, however, air density at that altitude is so thin that people get away with calling it 'space'. Drag still does exist here.

The shuttle doesn't attain its max speed while traveling through the atmosphere 'proper' (where aerodynamic control surfaces function) that we all think of when referring to 'aircraft'. On that basis, I don't consider the shuttle (or other 'spacecraft') to be valid on this list. Just my opinion.

When the shuttle re-enters the denser parts of the atmosphere at 17,000-18,000 mph, it isn't 'flying' yet. Thrusters are still controlling the attitude at these super high altitudes.

tomgoodman 12-14-2009 12:45 PM

Hot airplanes
 

Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 726998)
Regarding the top speeds of high speed aircraft like fighters, etc...what is the main limitation to their top speed?

Eventually you run into a heat problem. The X-15 nearly burned part of the tail off on its mach 6.72 flight. Ceramic tiles can withstand higher temperatures than metal, and ablative surfaces do burn but carry the heat away in small chunks. If you still want to use metal, circulating a cold liquid just inside the critical areas can help.

rickair7777 12-14-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 727100)
I'll disagree on the basis of technicality. The shuttle never leaves the atmosphere by definition, in that the altitude that it orbits is within the Thermosphere, however, air density at that altitude is so thin that people get away with calling it 'space'. Drag still does exist here.

The shuttle doesn't attain its max speed while traveling through the atmosphere 'proper' (where aerodynamic control surfaces function) that we all think of when referring to 'aircraft'. On that basis, I don't consider the shuttle (or other 'spacecraft') to be valid on this list. Just my opinion.

When the shuttle re-enters the denser parts of the atmosphere at 17,000-18,000 mph, it isn't 'flying' yet. Thrusters are still controlling the attitude at these super high altitudes.

That's true but the control surfaces start to kick in at a very high mach number, greater than ten IIRC. Unlike the X-43 (also on the list) shuttle is manned and can be hand flown, using aerodynamic controls, at hypersonic speeds.

rickair7777 12-14-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Planespotta (Post 727044)
Thanks for posting that! Airspeed is life!
My uncle had the privilege of flying on the shuttle 5 times . . . he told me that when they entered the atmosphere and passed through the high cloud layers, they were still going 17,500 mph. The clouds shooting by outside really gave a tremendous feeling of speed, and it was the only time he could really appreciate just how fast 25 times the speed of sound felt.

Hoot?
.....

Planespotta 12-16-2009 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 727158)
Hoot?
.....

Nope, but one of his good friends.

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