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ERAU trying to STOP the 1500hr requirement!

Old 04-01-2010, 07:37 PM
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I hope this 1500 hour requirement sticks. It's about time that entry into this line of work (I hesitate to call it a profession or a career any more) is somewhat regulated... no more 300-hour wonders getting into the right seat of a regional plane.
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dashtrash300 View Post
My dad works for a major airline and he was telling me about this one pilot who's husband bought her a little twin jet so she could build her multi turbine PIC.
And if she doesn't kill herself, she may actually learn something along the way. Probably not as much as if she had to get a real job, say flying 135 in all sorts of weather, not just cherry picking nice days to go fly; but she will still have learned more than if she got hired with 600 hours.
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dashtrash300 View Post
My dad works for a major airline and he was telling me about this one pilot who's husband bought her a little twin jet so she could build her multi turbine PIC.
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Actually, the really rich ones will just buy small airplanes. Had one guy buy one off a buddy of mine for a large sum. His sole reason was to get the time that would be required when he got out of school.
Good points. In my opinion this won't account for very many people that want to become career pilots.

This new rule makes one pay their dues one way or another. The extremely wealthy that have very little value for an airline pilot will always be trying to get to the position. At least with this new rule they will have to get the experience whether they have to pay money for it or work for some one they will still be gaining experience. And hopefully sometime before they reach enough time to get their ATP they will realize that a pilot job isn't for them.
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:45 PM
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Just hope this doesn't create massive amounts of pencil whipping. Then again I guess it's pretty hard to fake 1500 hours worth of flying. The resumé will tell the true story. Saying you bought a 152 and flew it around the pattern to build time will not win you any points in an interview.
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Just for conversation, lets assume 2 pilots. A 21 year old who gets hired at a jet regional with 300point1 hours and a multi rating vs. pilot #2, a 27 year old who worked in the same part 121 school he learned to fly at, building time until he reached 1500 hours.

I think that a few months later at 700 hours, the lower time pilot that had some exposure to working in the 121 environment (consider ground schools, in-doc and sim and IOE training) might be a better all around pilot after training and a few short months on the line, than the 1500 hour pilot who spent all of his time teaching at a 121 school under the supervision of a program manager that picks the days they can or cant fly due to weather. All this guy knows is the training environment.

What happened to all the discussion about a mentoring program?

Doesn't UAL have tons of experience and statistical documentation on successful and safe low time pilot hiring/development/integration that should be able to flush this bill?
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:02 PM
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Of course erau is going to try to make a case for lowering the bar, their business model practically depends on it. They actually try to trick people into thinking that if they go to erau they will be better pilots, nothing could be further from the truth.

I've flown with guys that came from all walks of life including erau, and you could not tell the difference period. This isn't open to interpretations, or opinions. Going to erau or any other aviation college does not make a better pilot, classroom time does not substitute aircraft time, and they know it. It has been proven statistically, that no amount of theory in a classroom can measure up to real life experience.

It's 1500 hrs guys. Get use to it! You're going to have to work for it, the "glory" days of paying erau 100K for a job are gone....welcome to the party guys, grab a hat and slice of humble pie and get in line with the rest of the folks.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh View Post
Just for conversation, lets assume 2 pilots. A 21 year old who gets hired at a jet regional with 300point1 hours and a multi rating vs. pilot #2, a 27 year old who worked in the same part 121 school he learned to fly at, building time until he reached 1500 hours.

I think that a few months later at 700 hours, the lower time pilot that had some exposure to working in the 121 environment (consider ground schools, in-doc and sim and IOE training) might be a better all around pilot after training and a few short months on the line, than the 1500 hour pilot who spent all of his time teaching at a 121 school under the supervision of a program manager that picks the days they can or cant fly due to weather. All this guy knows is the training environment.
Are you trying to compare the 300 hour hire with 400 hours line experience to the 1500 hour guy on day one? Sure the guy with more line experience will be better.

The more apt comparison is both pilots (300 hr vs. 1500 hr. hire), each after 400 hours line experience, or even better: which one is better prepared after 30 hours of OE, signed off and ready to fly the line?

I'd put my money on the 1500 hour guy.

P.S. I assume you mean Part "141" school, don't know many Part "121" flight schools out there.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh View Post
Just for conversation, lets assume 2 pilots. A 21 year old who gets hired at a jet regional with 300point1 hours and a multi rating vs. pilot #2, a 27 year old who worked in the same part 121 school he learned to fly at, building time until he reached 1500 hours.

I think that a few months later at 700 hours, the lower time pilot that had some exposure to working in the 121 environment (consider ground schools, in-doc and sim and IOE training) might be a better all around pilot after training and a few short months on the line, than the 1500 hour pilot who spent all of his time teaching at a 121 school under the supervision of a program manager that picks the days they can or cant fly due to weather. All this guy knows is the training environment.

What happened to all the discussion about a mentoring program?

Doesn't UAL have tons of experience and statistical documentation on successful and safe low time pilot hiring/development/integration that should be able to flush this bill?
The problem with the pilot who's lived his entire career in 121 ops is that they are too sheltered. You aren't really thrown to the wolves to either sink or swim in that environment.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:36 PM
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The ERAU grads will have to go fly FedEx Caravans or fly for AmFlight to get their time to go to RJs, pure and simple. And regional airlines will have to increase pay scales to get current FedEx Caravan pilots to leave their jobs to go fly an RJ.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:45 PM
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As an ERAU Alumni I find this very disturbing! I actually think that the ATP min of 1500 is WAY to low but that's a whole nother thread!
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