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bull 04-24-2010 06:04 AM

Seniority question
 
Let's say Pilot A gets a job offer on June 1st, and Pilot B gets a job offer on July 1st. They both get the same class date of August 1st. Does Pilot A have any seniority on Pilot B based on the fact that he was offered a job first? (I realize he might have seniority by other factors, I am strictly talking about whether or not the time of the job offer has any bearing on seniority)....thanks for your help...

sailingfun 04-24-2010 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 800996)
Let's say Pilot A gets a job offer on June 1st, and Pilot B gets a job offer on July 1st. They both get the same class date of August 1st. Does Pilot A have any seniority on Pilot B based on the fact that he was offered a job first? (I realize he might have seniority by other factors, I am strictly talking about whether or not the time of the job offer has any bearing on seniority)....thanks for your help...


Usually no, I have seen age and social security numbers used to decide seniority within a class but never hire date. Each airline however decides what method they will use. Ask the airline you have the question about.

Boneman 04-24-2010 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 800996)
Let's say Pilot A gets a job offer on June 1st, and Pilot B gets a job offer on July 1st. They both get the same class date of August 1st. Does Pilot A have any seniority on Pilot B based on the fact that he was offered a job first? (I realize he might have seniority by other factors, I am strictly talking about whether or not the time of the job offer has any bearing on seniority)....thanks for your help...

No. It usually goes by age (birthday) with the eldest getting the seniority, or by SSN as stated above; however, that may be adjusted if certain new hires or groups have a priority such as a regional airline flow-through agreement or preferential hiring from some other airline or work group.

bull 04-24-2010 06:34 AM

Thanks, guys..I appreciate it!

acl65pilot 04-24-2010 06:41 AM

You are not hired on those dates. You are offered employment. Your hire date is the day you report to new hire class. (Legally different and all Offers of employment are written this way for that reason. If you were hired on the date that you were offered employment then we would have guys that were hired but not put in to INDOC collecting longevity without ever working for a company)

Mesabah 04-24-2010 06:54 AM

Some companies also offer you head of class seniority if you were a former employee in a different position.

dojetdriver 04-24-2010 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 801019)
Some companies also offer you head of class seniority if you were a former employee in a different position.

Maybe for a pass travel date, especially if there was little (if any) gap between ending the one position and starting as a pilot at said company. I have yet to hear though of an airline that will put an employee ahead of the other new hires because they worked in a different department, especially at a unionized carrier. Could be wrong though

You know of any specific companies that do this?

acl65pilot 04-24-2010 07:21 AM

Yes they do. It is a intra-company transfer and therefore they go above all of the off the street guys. No WO corporations to not fall under the intra company definition. So if you come from XJ you restart everything.

They will only do it for employees of Delta Air Lines, and not their subsidiaries.

acl65pilot 04-24-2010 07:21 AM

Do Delta does it and those people were the most senior pilots in the class and were not subject to the PWA last four is the ssn determining seniority.

Mesabah 04-24-2010 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 801031)
Yes they do. It is a intra-company transfer and therefore they go above all of the off the street guys. No WO corporations to not fall under the intra company definition. So if you come from XJ you restart everything.

They will only do it for employees of Delta Air Lines, and not their subsidiaries.

The question is, how about a former NWA employee:D


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