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ToiletDuck 08-21-2006 07:21 PM

I'm ****ed
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060821/...igration_costs


WASHINGTON - The Senate's immigration proposal would cost $49 billion over the next five years and $127 billion over the next decade, according to the
Congressional Budget Office.
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The majority of the costs would be for increased enforcement, such as hiring more Border Patrol officers and building more detention facilities.

The legislation would offer a chance at citizenship for millions of immigrants. Spending on government benefits programs, including refundable tax credits for the working poor, would rise by $16 billion for the years 2007-11, and by $48 billion over the decade, the CBO said in a report released over the weekend.

Legalization of now illegal immigrants would increase spending on
Social Security and Medicare benefits by $10.5 billion over the next 10 years, the CBO said. Eligibility by many of them for refundable earned income tax credits aimed at helping low-income families would cost another $24.5 billion.

The CBO forecast only modest increases in other popular benefit programs as a result of illegal immigrants and new guest workers acquiring legal status.

"We estimate that enrollment in child nutrition, Food Stamp and Medicaid programs ... would each be about 2 percent to 3 percent higher in 2016 than under current law," it said.

In the written proposal, federal revenue would be reduced in the next five years. But the CBO said a technical change to a tax provision would increase federal revenue by about $44 billion over the next 10 years through payroll taxes, visa fees, fines and penalties assessed immigrants.

"Clearly the biggest-ticket items are the enforcement programs, building fences and increasing the number of Border Patrol agents," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the Immigration Policy Center. "Legalization is nearly a wash in terms of costs and revenues." Johnson's center rejects an enforcement-only solution to U.S. immigration problems.

More than 16 million people would become legal residents or adjust to some other legal status through 2016 under the Senate bill, the CBO estimated. Of that number, about 9.5 million are already in the country or will enter in the next decade under current law.

Steve Camarota, research director for the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for strict immigration laws, said the numbers make a case for restricting legal immigration as well as cracking down on illegal residents.

The House passed an enforcement-focused immigration bill last December. House Republicans have balked at meeting with Senate counterparts to stitch together a compromise immigration bill, and held hearings focusing on problems in the Senate bill.

The CBO estimated in a report last year that the House bill would cost about $1.9 billion over the five years beginning in 2006 and "substantial amounts" after 2010.

vagabond 08-21-2006 07:51 PM

Hmmm. Are you p***ed or *******ed over the content of the article?

ToiletDuck 08-22-2006 08:50 AM

I am angry because they are allowing people to come into my country and use up it's resources without donating anything to it except higher crime rates, trashier cities, and a bunch of people who get here then want to change our culture to theirs instead of conforming to ours.

That would be p***ed

GotheriK 08-22-2006 01:28 PM

I have to agree.

Then again, we're all people, I prefer not to judge an individual based upon their race. And I know that every person is entitled to basic human rights and a chance to succeed, and America presents that opportunity. I just wish that someone would start fixing their native countries instead of making America the "safe haven" to impoverished hispanics of the world. However illegal immigration does "irk" me, especially if they're not going to have the decency to learn English/get a job/etc.

JSchraub 08-22-2006 01:32 PM

Yeah the not learning english thing is really what bothers me the most. Especially if they understand english and you know damn well that they can speak it and choose not too.

flynavyj 08-22-2006 03:16 PM

as far as using our natural resources, i personally believe that they're doing no more than the rest of us are. What difference does it make to a gas company (natural or crude oil based) if they are selling to someone from over the border or someone from the states already? If the people are "truely" poor, they probabaly aren't buying a lincoln navigator either, and will probably ride the bus, which simply helps public transportation.

One major issue that americans tend to have is that we as a nation are pretty damn lazy, and essentially brought this upon ourselves. If the american people were willing to do the work at the wages the immigrants were working at the jobs would have stayed in america, but in order for capitlism to survive business owners have to maximize profits, meaning, the cheapest work available, and they'll do what needs to be done to ensure their business stays afloat.

As far as american culture is concerned, i personally think that there is none...yet, but it is developing. English is a language brought to this country by the "original" controlling colonist, those who were left here after the revolution stuck to their tounge of english and changed the dialect some. New imigrants didn't come here knowing english, and most didn't have any intention of learning it either, they didn't come here to "adopt" american values, they came here to continue their own traditions, whether they were german, irish, italian, etc. Same reason most cities still have areas that are prodominately to a given ethnic group (i know St. Louis does). these people would connect w/ people who they had a similiar history with. In time, (normally a generation) the individuals began speaking english as their native language and the language they'd hear in their home was their "secondary" language. With better oppertunities in education the lower economic status will eventually be removed and just like everone else, they'll become regular american members of society.

But, that's just my opinion.

Smooth_Landing 08-22-2006 05:59 PM

my grandparents came to the US from Italy and still only speak in Italian. The neighborhood they live in (in New York) is primarily an Italian neighborhood, and it is not uncommon to hear Italian spoken rather than English in small business establishments and stores. There are many ethnic neighborhoods in NY, Cleveland, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and DC where English is not the only or even majority language.

I don't see why not knowing English is such a big problem...remember it is not the official language of this nation (there is no official language).

I also don't see how they are "trashing out cities"...

flystraightin 08-22-2006 06:54 PM

What are the repricutions of this ruling? Are they going to make all the illegals legal now? or are what? im not too sure what this means. Please explain!! lol thx.

navyman_tx 08-22-2006 07:23 PM

I can gurantee you that we pay more welfare to citizens than we do to illegals. They actually help our economy by keeping the things that we love cheap. EX: our houses, our products, our lawn care, etc., etc. They will do the work for far less than the average citizen, and they will be happy while doing it. i am thankful that there are people like them to do the dirty work for us. I am not saying that every single illegal is a angel. But neither are we.

VNYFlyGuy 08-22-2006 10:36 PM

I wonder how the number of illegals in this country compares to the numbers of:

-> unemployed Americans (willing to work) and
-> homeless Americans (that aren't crazy)

Also, I wonder how many native-born Americans have not been able to get jobs b/c an illegal or the child of an illegal was hired instead?

Furthermore, I wonder why there were so many protests and rallies full of people demanding rights in a country that they snuck into and that they are not even citizens of? Hello!?!? Maybe you don't have rights here b/c you are not a legal citizen!?!?

Finally, I wonder why there isn't better border security. If Latin Americans can make it across, who's to say that Al Qaeda or Hezbollah can't?

I have nothing against LEGAL immigration for anyone from anywhere (except criminals and terrorists).

But as a CA resident you just can't help but wonder sometimes...


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